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Olympics and FIBA World Championship Statistics

Postby usausa » Wed Jan 18, 2012 4:52 am

I am currently trying to collect as much statistical information from international basketball tournaments; mainly the focus right now is on older FIBA WC and Olympics.
Currently, pre-1994 WC (since they are online in full in the FIBA archive), I have statistics from 1986 and partial from 1990. I am in the process of possibly obtaining a book which has statistics from 1974.
In 1986, Spain hosted the FIBA WC and produced a book which contained all the statistics. I was wondering if anyone knew if there was any other WC in which a similar publication was produced.
Also, apparently there have been Olympic organizing committees that have produced results books and booklets for various sports. Would anyone have a lead on where these could be found? This is completely different from the results in the official reports, which I have access to. I know 1992 has a pretty good statistical section as does 1988 and 1984.

Any help or leads are appreciated. I know what I am searching for is rare and may not actually exist, but I'd figure I ask in the event maybe somebody knows something.

Thank you,
Martin
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Re: Olympics and FIBA World Championship Statistics

Postby usausa » Wed Jan 18, 2012 3:26 pm

I did not mean to post two discussion topics, can one of the mods please delete one of the threads? I apologize, I did not realize I created two of the exact same thing.
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Re: Olympics and FIBA World Championship Statistics

Postby tpakrac » Thu Jan 19, 2012 2:14 am

I own a book about history of FIBA WC. It was published in 1997 or 1998, I'm not sure because year of publication is not mentioned. It is called: "The World Basketball Championships History," authors Mario Hernando and Jose Luis Ortega.

It has scorers from first WC (Argentina 1950) up to Canada 1994. Fantastic book. Unfortunately I don't have scanner so I can't scan you all scorers, but even if I did scanning would be lengthy because book has 285 pages (about 100 pages are just stats). They covered every single game of the WC from 1950 until 1994. Classic box-scores are missing but every single gave is covered like this, for instance first USA game versus Chile in 1950:

23/10/1950
United States 37 (20)
Chile 33 (19)
United States: Slocum 8, Stanich 5, Reese 2, Kahler 3, Parks 3, Jaquet 1, Fisher 6, Heffley 7, Williams 2, Langdon 0, Metzger 0
Field goals: 10, Free throws 17, Fouls 20
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Re: Olympics and FIBA World Championship Statistics

Postby usausa » Thu Jan 19, 2012 2:31 am

Yeah, FIBA has updated their archive to include the basic scoring and foul info...I was hoping to find at which point detailed stats like rebounds, assists and field goal attempts were recorded. I am trying really hard to get a book from the 1974 WC which has detailed numbers. 1978 and 1982 would be two WC I am really looking hard for.
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Re: Olympics and FIBA World Championship Statistics

Postby tpakrac » Sat Jan 21, 2012 9:42 pm

usausa wrote:Yeah, FIBA has updated their archive to include the basic scoring and foul info...I was hoping to find at which point detailed stats like rebounds, assists and field goal attempts were recorded. I am trying really hard to get a book from the 1974 WC which has detailed numbers. 1978 and 1982 would be two WC I am really looking hard for.


What you're trying to find is basically impossible. Just check official Fiba website, 1992 Olympic finals:

http://archive.fiba.com/pages/eng/fa/ga ... istic.html

They list only points, fouls and free throws. Maybe you'll find better box-scores in 1978 and 1982 US newspapers, but only for USA games, I guess.
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Re: Olympics and FIBA World Championship Statistics

Postby usausa » Tue Jan 24, 2012 4:04 pm

Olympic boxscores from 1984 forward are easy, I have them all from the official reports.
Here are some more information that I have discovered via USA Basketball record notes:
*Rebounds have been kept as an official statistic since the 1972 Olympics.
*Field goals attempted were not kept for the 1960, 1952, 1948, and 1936 Olympics.
*Assists have been kept as an official statistic since the 1976 Olympics.
*Blocked shots have been kept as an official statistic since the 1984 Olympics.
*Steals have been kept as an official statistic since the 1984 Olympics.

So starting from 1964, I should at least get points, FGM, FGA, FTM, FTA, anf fouls.
Starting from 1972, rebounds, and 1976 assists.

For the WC, USA Basktball has these notes:
*Rebounds have been kept as an official statistic since the 1967 World Championship.
*Field goals attempted were not kept for the 1978, 1963, 1959, 1954, 1950 World Championships.
*Free throws attempted were not kept for the 1978, 1963, 1959, 1954 and 1950 World Championships.
*Assists were not kept for the 1978, 1967, 1963, 1959, 1954 and 1950 World Championships.
*Blocked shots have been kept as an official statistic since the 1986 World Championship.
*Steals have been kept as an official statistic for 1974 and at least since the 1986 World Championship.
*Turnovers were kept in 1974 and at least since the 1986 World Championship.

Now, I have found a book from the 1974 WC which includes field goal attempts, free throws attempted, assists, steals, and turnovers. I have informed USA Basketball of this and am in the process of ordering this book. So I hope other WC statistics are out there, just have to find these rare and scarce resources/books that exist.
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Re: Olympics and FIBA World Championship Statistics

Postby tpakrac » Wed Jan 25, 2012 2:10 pm

usausa wrote:Olympic boxscores from 1984 forward are easy, I have them all from the official reports.
Here are some more information that I have discovered via USA Basketball record notes:
*Rebounds have been kept as an official statistic since the 1972 Olympics.
*Field goals attempted were not kept for the 1960, 1952, 1948, and 1936 Olympics.
*Assists have been kept as an official statistic since the 1976 Olympics.
*Blocked shots have been kept as an official statistic since the 1984 Olympics.
*Steals have been kept as an official statistic since the 1984 Olympics.

So starting from 1964, I should at least get points, FGM, FGA, FTM, FTA, anf fouls.
Starting from 1972, rebounds, and 1976 assists.

For the WC, USA Basktball has these notes:
*Rebounds have been kept as an official statistic since the 1967 World Championship.
*Field goals attempted were not kept for the 1978, 1974, 1963, 1959, 1954, 1950 World Championships.
*Free throws attempted were not kept for the 1978, 1974, 1963, 1959, 1954 and 1950 World Championships.
*Assists were not kept for the1978, 1974, 1967, 1963, 1959, 1954 and 1950 World Championships.
*Blocked shots have been kept as an official statistic since the 1986 World Championship.
*Steals have been kept as an official statistic since the 1986 World Championship.

Now, I have found a book from the 1974 WC which includes field goal attempts, free throws attempted, assists, steals, and turnovers. I have informed USA Basketball of this and am in the process of ordering this book. So I hope other WC statistics are out there, just have to find these rare and scarce resources/books that exist.


Do you have official reports for Croatian games played in 1992 Olympics? Like I said, I only have points, free throws and fouls.
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Re: Olympics and FIBA World Championship Statistics

Postby usausa » Thu Jan 26, 2012 6:32 am

http://www.la84foundation.org/6oic/Offi ... 1992s5.pdf
Here is the official report from the 1992 Olympics. You can click basketball on the left side, or type '101' for page number.

And the cumulative statistics from my website:
http://92mensolympicbball.webs.com/olystatsheet001.pdf
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Re: Olympics and FIBA World Championship Statistics

Postby meej » Thu Feb 09, 2012 9:01 pm

usausa wrote:*Assists have been kept as an official statistic since the 1976 Olympics.
*Steals have been kept as an official statistic since the 1984 Olympics.


I am not completely sure they are official statistics, but I have one Spanish basketball magazine covering the 1974 world championship and they list assists and steals in their boxscores. Also, their cummulative stats for all teams list assists, and there is a list of the top ten assist players (led by John Lucas).
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Re: Olympics and FIBA World Championship Statistics

Postby usausa » Sat Feb 11, 2012 11:26 pm

meej wrote:
usausa wrote:*Assists have been kept as an official statistic since the 1976 Olympics.
*Steals have been kept as an official statistic since the 1984 Olympics.


I am not completely sure they are official statistics, but I have one Spanish basketball magazine covering the 1974 world championship and they list assists and steals in their boxscores. Also, their cummulative stats for all teams list assists, and there is a list of the top ten assist players (led by John Lucas).


I just recently received a book with all he official statistics from that championship. Assists, steals, and turnovers were kept as official statistics.
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Re: Olympics and FIBA World Championship Statistics

Postby tpakrac » Sun Feb 12, 2012 12:22 am

usausa wrote:
meej wrote:
usausa wrote:*Assists have been kept as an official statistic since the 1976 Olympics.
*Steals have been kept as an official statistic since the 1984 Olympics.


I am not completely sure they are official statistics, but I have one Spanish basketball magazine covering the 1974 world championship and they list assists and steals in their boxscores. Also, their cummulative stats for all teams list assists, and there is a list of the top ten assist players (led by John Lucas).


I just recently received a book with all he official statistics from that championship. Assists, steals, and turnovers were kept as official statistics.


Please name the book. Is it available on Ebay?
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Re: Olympics and FIBA World Championship Statistics

Postby Pato » Fri Mar 29, 2013 11:52 pm

I am interested too in those historical stats... Can you name de book so I can look for it? I'm from Argentina
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Re: Olympics and FIBA World Championship Statistics

Postby usausa » Wed Mar 04, 2015 7:29 pm

Sorry I haven't replied in so long! Been away from the forums for a bit.

The book doesn't have a name, I found it on a Spanish website. See here for his list of available titles: http://www.futboletin.com/baloncesto.html

Would like to get more on there (some nice old Euro materials!) but when I payed for the book via paypal 3-4 years ago, my paypal got smacked because of his account, as a result he told me he only accepts payment via post (maybe he has a google wallet that could be used).
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