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Players who are/were great at setting screens?

Postby fpliii » Sun Aug 25, 2013 8:45 pm

Who comes to mind?

It's very hard to find information on this, since mentions are extremely rare in stories (and I just added a column for this in my database, so it'd be nice to fill it out a bit). I'd prefer a more inclusionary than exclusionary list, so there's no need to be overly restrictive/selective.
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Re: Players who are/were great at setting screens?

Postby Robert Bradley » Sun Aug 25, 2013 9:20 pm

Wes Unseld.
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Re: Players who are/were great at setting screens?

Postby MW » Tue Aug 27, 2013 8:40 pm

Rick Mahorn.

Would pick and roll pick/screeners count? If so Karl Malone, Brad Daugherty and Jerry Lucas formed half of some notable PnR tandems. Dwight plays it well too.
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Postby fpliii » Wed Aug 28, 2013 8:57 pm

MW wrote:Rick Mahorn.

Would pick and roll pick/screeners count? If so Karl Malone, Brad Daugherty and Jerry Lucas formed half of some notable PnR tandems. Dwight plays it well too.


Yes, they would.
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Re: Players who are/were great at setting screens?

Postby jeigenauer » Fri Aug 30, 2013 5:25 pm

Maurice Lucas.
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Re: Players who are/were great at setting screens?

Postby rlee » Fri Aug 30, 2013 5:49 pm

From Sports Illustrated: March 1997:


"File this category in the Lost Arts department. Many members of our panel, which consists of one representative from each of the NBA's 29 teams, were reluctant to fill in any name on a ballot that would determine the top player at screening off a defender. 'I don't know who it would be,' says one coach. 'The guys who do try to set the screens do the dirty work and then get fouls called on them. And the stars won't set them.'

Ultimately, the voters favored those who excel at dirty work: power forwards. New York's 6'9", 245-pound Charles Oakley was the winner with five votes and was even called 'one of the best ever [at setting picks],' by a Pacific Division coach. Utah's Karl Malone earned four votes while Chicago's Dennis Rodman and Detroit's Rick Mahorn grabbed three each.

Even though he's a 10-time All-Star, Malone enjoys setting picks, and with his 256-pound frame, as one coach noted, ' you stay picked.' Respondents admired Rodman's scrappiness and Mahorn's nasty streak. ' When [ Mahorn] sets a pick on you,' says one voter, 'he wants to kill you.'

There was one small interloper among the big bruisers: Jazz point guard John Stockton received three votes. 'I know this may sound strange,' one assistant coach says, ' but for a little guy Stockton sets a mean pick.' "

And Kevin Pelton nominated Jason Collins as the best screen setter for the 2000-2009 decade.
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Re: Players who are/were great at setting screens?

Postby meej » Sun Sep 01, 2013 9:28 pm

According to Tall Tales, Wayne Embry aka the Wall.
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Re: Players who are/were great at setting screens?

Postby fpliii » Tue Sep 24, 2013 10:08 pm

Thanks for the responses so far. This might be asking a bit much, but if we look at say the APBR Top 100 list:

http://apbr.org/apbr100.html

who would you categorize as each of the following:

1) a great screen-setter (game-changing level; say top 1%)?
2) a good screen-setter (at least appreciably impactful, far above positional average; say top 10%)?
3) everyone else?
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Re: Players who are/were great at setting screens?

Postby rlee » Fri Oct 04, 2013 2:43 pm

"Meet Amir Johnson< the NBA's Meanest Screen Setter":

http://www.sbnation.com/2013/10/4/47377 ... a-analysis
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Postby fpliii » Sun Oct 06, 2013 5:46 pm

rlee wrote:"Meet Amir Johnson< the NBA's Meanest Screen Setter":

http://www.sbnation.com/2013/10/4/47377 ... a-analysis


Great article, thanks. We frequently hear the suggestion that "hockey assists" be recorded, but great hard picks that lead directly to a score are perhaps just as valuable.
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Re: Players who are/were great at setting screens?

Postby rlee » Sun Oct 06, 2013 9:52 pm

Yes FP - but try telling that to the folks who like to rank careers according to arbitrarily selected and weighted stats
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Postby rlee » Wed Oct 09, 2013 7:58 pm

Joshua Riddell of the Mikan Drill recently rated Asik, Horford, N Collison & Biyambo as his top 4 screeners: http://tlorc.wordpress.com/2013/09/30/u ... screeners/
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Re: Players who are/were great at setting screens?

Postby Mike Goodman » Thu Oct 10, 2013 3:49 pm

Einstein didn't actually say that.
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Re: Players who are/were great at setting screens?

Postby rlee » Thu Oct 10, 2013 4:11 pm

Thanks Mike

I researched the provenance but can't figure out how to change the signature to credit the correct originator (probably William Bruce Cameron)
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Postby fpliii » Sun Oct 20, 2013 9:20 pm

I've done some searching, and compiled a list based on mentions in searches. ** next to Wes, who's by most accounts the GOAT screen-setter, * next to other guys who were listed as the best in the game or in particularly high regard. Guys without and * just turned up in my searches, but I couldn't find enough to classify them with the others above.

Disclaimer: I don't know how accurate this is, so let me know if anybody is missing (or if anyone is included who should not be).

**Wes Unseld

*Alonzo Mourning
*Amir Johnson
*Artis Gilmore
*Ben Wallace
*Bill Laimbeer
*Bill Russell
*Bill Walton
*Brad Daugherty
*Charles Oakley
*Dave Cowens
*Jason Collins
*Jerry Lucas
*Joakim Noah
*Karl Malone
*Kevin Garnett
*Maurice Lucas
*Nate Thurmond
*Rick Mahorn
*Shaquille O'Neal
*Tim Duncan
*Wayne Embry
*Willis Reed
*Wilt Chamberlain

A.C. Green
Al Horford
Amar'e Stoudemire
Bismack Biyombo
Carmelo Anthony
Charles Barkley
Chris Andersen
Chris Webber
Dennis Rodman
Dikembe Mutombo
Dolph Schayes
Dwight Howard
Elton Brand
Elvin Hayes
Erick Dampier
Greg Ostertag
Hakeem Olajuwon
Jack Sikma
Joel Anthony
Johnny Kerr
John Stockton
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
Kendrick Perkins
Kevin McHale
Larry Bird
LeBron James
Marcin Gortat
Mark Eaton
Maurice Stokes
Mel Daniels
Moses Malone
Nick Collison
Omer Asik
Oscar Robertson
Patrick Ewing
Pau Gasol
Paul Silas
Reggie Evans
Robert Parish
Tyson Chandler
Vlade Divac
Walt Bellamy
Yao Ming
Zelmo Beaty
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Re: Players who are/were great at setting screens?

Postby rlee » Tue Oct 22, 2013 1:47 pm

Vantage's stat-based take is that Joakim Noah is the best: http://blog.cacvantage.com/2013/10/jaso ... d-top.html
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Postby fpliii » Tue Oct 22, 2013 5:18 pm

rlee wrote:Vantage's stat-based take is that Joakim Noah is the best: http://blog.cacvantage.com/2013/10/jaso ... d-top.html


Interesting stuff, Noah's one of my favorite players to watch. I wonder if I should add a * by his name then?
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Postby rlee » Tue Oct 22, 2013 6:28 pm

If you are persuaded by the analysis then by all means, yes.
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Postby fpliii » Tue Oct 22, 2013 6:33 pm

rlee wrote:If you are persuaded by the analysis then by all means, yes.


Good point, just updated. I understand this is very much subjective, but are there any glaring omissions on that list, in your opinion?
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Re: Players who are/were great at setting screens?

Postby fpliii » Sun Oct 27, 2013 6:35 am

Did some searches, and spoke to a few people who have watched tons of basketball. Here is the list I'm currently operating under:

Code: Select all
Screen Setters

A.C. Green
Al Horford
Alonzo Mourning*
Alvan Adams
Alvin Robertson
Amar'e Stoudemire
Amir Johnson*
Anderson Varejao
Andrei Kirilenko
Andrew Bogut
Andrew Lang
Antoine Walker
Antonio Davis
Antonio McDyess
Artis Gilmore*
Arvydas Sabonis
Ben Wallace*
Bill Bridges
Bill Cartwright
Bill Laimbeer*
Bill Russell*
Bill Walton*
Billy Knight
Bismack Biyombo
Bob Lanier
Bobby Jones
Bob Rule
Brad Daugherty*
Brad Miller
Buck Williams
Byron Beck
Campy Russell
Carmelo Anthony
Charles Barkley
Charles Oakley*
Chris Andersen
Chris Gatling
Chris Kaman
Chuck Hayes
Chris Mullin
Chuck Share
Clifford Robinson
Clyde Lovellette
Connie Hawkins
Dale Davis
Dan Majerle
Darrall Imhoff
Dave Cowens*
Dave DeBusschere
Dave Piontek
David Robinson
David West
Dennis Rodman
Dick Van Arsdale
Dikembe Mutombo
Dirk Nowitzki
Dolph Schayes
Earl Lloyd
Dwight Howard
Elton Brand
Elvin Hayes
Erick Dampier
Ernie Grunfeld
George McGinnis
George Mikan
Gerald Wallace
Greg Ostertag
Hakeem Olajuwon
Henry Finkel
Horace Grant
Jack Sikma
James Donaldson
Jason Collins*
Jason Kidd
Jayson Williams
Jeff Ruland
Jermaine O'Neal
Jerry Lucas*
Jerry Sloan
Jim McMillian
Joakim Noah
Joel Anthony
John Brisker
John Havlicek
John Starks
John Stockton
Johnny Green
Julius Erving
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
Karl Malone*
Kendrick Perkins
Kenyon Martin
Kermit Washington
Kevin Garnett*
Kevin Love
Kevin McHale
Kurt Rambis
Kurt Thomas
LaMarcus Aldridge
Larry Bird
Larry Johnson
Larry Nance
LeBron James
Lonnie Shelton
Luke Jackson
Magic Johnson
Marcin Gortat
Mark Eaton
Marc Gasol
Marcus Camby
Maurice Lucas*
Maurice Stokes
Mehmet Okur
Mel Daniels
Metta World Peace
Michael Jordan
Mikki Moore
Moses Malone
Nate Thurmond*
Nick Collison
Nikola Pekovic
Omer Asik
Oscar Robertson
Otis Thorpe
Patrick Ewing
Pau Gasol
Paul George
Paul Pierce
Paul Silas
Ralph Sampson
Rasheed Wallace
Rasho Nesterovic
Ray Felix
Red Kerr
Red Rocha
Reggie Evans
Rick Mahorn*
Rik Smits
Robert Parish
Ronny Turiaf
Roy Hibbert
Ryan Hollins
Scottie Pippen
Shane Battier
Shaquille O'Neal*
Shawn Bradley
Shawn Marion
Sidney Wicks
Specener Haywood
Steve Nash
Swede Halbrook
Sweetwater Clifton
Swen Nater
Terry Cummings
Tiago Splitter
Tim Duncan*
Tom Boerwinkle
Tom Gola
Tom Heinsohn
Tom Sanders
Truck Robinson
Tyler Hansbrough
Tyson Chandler
Vern Mikkelsen*
Vlade Divac
Warren Jabali
Walt Bellamy
Walter Dukes
Wayne Embry*
Wendell Ladner
Wes Unseld**
Willie Naulls
Willie Wise
Willis Reed*
Wilt Chamberlain*
Yao Ming
Zach Randolph
Zelmo Beaty
Zydrunas Ilgauskas


Again, please let me know if I missed someone who should be there, or included someone who should not be. It seems there are 180ish names there. I don't think every single name is correct, but I think it's pretty likely that the above contains the top 50 screen setters, and very likely that it contains the top 5,10/25.
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Re: Players who are/were great at setting screens?

Postby rlee » Mon Dec 30, 2013 4:22 pm

Gortat: Durant's Leadership, Gortat's Screens: http://basketballintelligence.wordpress ... s-screens/
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Postby rlee » Tue Jan 14, 2014 5:12 am

Interesting to see Amir Johnson's ranking so high in Adjusted Plus/Minus being attributed to his defense and screen-setting: http://www.gotbuckets.com/2014/01/12/a- ... der-board/
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Re: Players who are/were great at setting screens?

Postby rlee » Thu Mar 06, 2014 4:40 pm

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/story/_/ ... eens-picks

Above is a link to Amin Elhassan's story on today's best screen setters. Access is limited to ESPN Insider subscribers.

His list includes Asik, Taj Gibson, Gortat, Hawes, Amir Johnson, Robin Lopez, Udoh, Biyombo, Koufos, Jason Collins
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Re: Players who are/were great at setting screens?

Postby fpliii » Fri Mar 07, 2014 4:05 am

rlee wrote:http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/10556176/nba-best-dirty-work-players-guys-set-screens-picks

Above is a link to Amin Elhassan's story on today's best screen setters. Access is limited to ESPN Insider subscribers.

His list includes Asik, Taj Gibson, Gortat, Hawes, Amir Johnson, Robin Lopez, Udoh, Biyombo, Koufos, Jason Collins

Great stuff, thanks for the heads up. I'll update the list soon.
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Re: Players who are/were great at setting screens?

Postby fpliii » Thu Mar 13, 2014 8:18 pm

Updated:

Code: Select all
Screen Setters

A.C. Green
Al Horford
Alonzo Mourning*
Alvan Adams
Alvin Robertson
Amar'e Stoudemire
Amir Johnson*
Anderson Varejao
Andrei Kirilenko
Andrew Bogut
Andrew Lang
Antoine Walker
Antonio Davis
Antonio McDyess
Artis Gilmore*
Arvydas Sabonis
Ben Wallace*
Bill Bridges
Bill Cartwright
Bill Laimbeer*
Bill Russell*
Bill Walton*
Billy Knight
Bismack Biyombo
Bob Lanier
Bobby Jones
Bob Rule
Boris Diaw
Brad Daugherty*
Brad Miller
Buck Williams
Byron Beck
Campy Russell
Carmelo Anthony
Charles Barkley
Charles Oakley*
Chris Andersen
Chris Bosh
Chris Gatling
Chris Kaman
Chuck Hayes
Chris Mullin
Chuck Share
Clifford Robinson
Clyde Lovellette
Cody Zeller
Connie Hawkins
Dale Davis
Dan Majerle
Darrall Imhoff
Dave Cowens*
Dave DeBusschere
Dave Piontek
David Robinson
David West
DeAndre Jordan*
Dennis Rodman
Dick Van Arsdale
Dikembe Mutombo
Dirk Nowitzki
Dolph Schayes
Dwight Howard
Earl Lloyd
Expe Udoh
Elton Brand
Elvin Hayes
Erick Dampier
Ernie Grunfeld
George McGinnis
George Mikan
Gerald Wallace
Greg Ostertag
Hakeem Olajuwon
Henry Finkel
Horace Grant
Jack Sikma
James Donaldson
Jason Collins*
Jason Kidd
Jayson Williams
Jeff Ruland
Jermaine O'Neal
Jerry Lucas*
Jerry Sloan
Jim McMillian
Joakim Noah*
Joel Anthony
John Brisker
John Havlicek
John Starks
John Stockton
Johnny Green
Julius Erving
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
Karl Malone*
Kendrick Perkins*
Kenyon Martin
Kermit Washington
Kevin Garnett*
Kevin Love
Kevin McHale
Kosta Koufos
Kurt Rambis
Kurt Thomas
Kyle Korver
LaMarcus Aldridge
Larry Bird
Larry Johnson
Larry Nance
LeBron James
Lonnie Shelton
Luke Jackson
Magic Johnson
Marcin Gortat*
Mark Eaton
Marc Gasol*
Marcus Camby
Maurice Lucas*
Maurice Stokes
Mehmet Okur
Mel Daniels
Metta World Peace
Michael Jordan
Mikki Moore
Moses Malone
Nate Thurmond*
Nick Collison
Nikola Pekovic
Omer Asik
Oscar Robertson
Otis Thorpe
Otto Porter
Patrick Ewing
Pau Gasol
Paul George
Paul Pierce
Paul Silas
Ralph Sampson
Rasheed Wallace
Rasho Nesterovic
Ray Felix
Red Kerr
Red Rocha
Reggie Evans
Rick Mahorn*
Rik Smits
Robert Parish
Robin Lopez*
Ronny Turiaf
Roy Hibbert
Ryan Hollins
Scottie Pippen
Shane Battier
Shaquille O'Neal*
Shawn Bradley
Shawn Marion
Sidney Wicks
Spencer Hawes
Spencer Haywood
Steve Nash
Steven Adams
Swede Halbrook
Sweetwater Clifton
Swen Nater
Taj Gibson
Terry Cummings
Tiago Splitter
Tim Duncan*
Timofey Mozgov
Tom Boerwinkle
Tom Gola
Tom Heinsohn
Tom Sanders
Truck Robinson
Tyler Hansbrough
Tyler Zeller
Tyson Chandler
Vern Mikkelsen*
Vlade Divac
Warren Jabali
Walt Bellamy
Walter Dukes
Wayne Embry*
Wendell Ladner
Wes Unseld**
Willie Naulls
Willie Wise
Willis Reed*
Wilt Chamberlain*
Yao Ming
Zach Randolph
Zelmo Beaty
Zydrunas Ilgauskas


Updated - 6/16/15
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