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Postby Mike Goodman » Mon Aug 08, 2011 10:49 am

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Re: nba-draft-greatest-selection-for-every pick

Postby Mike Goodman » Mon Aug 08, 2011 1:25 pm

You have to go through 29 page views to see the whole LA Times list -- which was done by a college student, it turns out.
Nevertheless, having gone to some trouble to compile the following summary, I'll share it.
I got this from a list of career Win Shares at basketball-reference.com, sorted by draft pick, from pages like this:
http://bkref.com/tiny/PhHmn
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pick  LA Times  WS    other     WS           
60   Petrovic   22   M Cooper   53
59   P Cummings 23               
58   Tom Owens  62*  Rambis     38 
57   Ginobili   79   Brickowski 30     
56  Mic Johnson 59   Am Johnson 17
                                         
55   Scola      27   Gattison   17             
54   B Forrest   3   S Mitchell 42  ShAnderson 24   
53   A Mason    88   G Buckner  21             
52   R Butler   16   Hoiberg    28   Royal     19
51   Korver     32   J Petersen 14 
                                     
50   Kenon      59*  S Kerr     47     
49   Blatche    11   F EJohnson 41   Ja Jones  19
48   Ceballos   40   Ehlo       41             
47  Mo Williams 30   G Wilkins  34   Millsap   33
46   Hornacek  109   Kersey     70   J Edwards 60
                                               
45   Dandridge  80  HR Williams 71   A Davis   60
44   M Rose     27   Cl Johnson 26   Robisch   64*
43   Redd       55   Snow       43           
42   S Jackson  35   Geiger     28           
41   Mobley     52   Dunn       40
                                                                 
40   Gervin    116*  C Ray      51
39   K Porter   36   Attles     37             
38   Duhon      23   F Walker   31   Najera    25
37   Van Exel   56   A Clark    65   Okur      55
36   Cheeks    104   C Robinson 90         
                                           
35   DeA Jordan  8   Corbin     57   Mahorn    52
34   C Boozer   61   Van Lier   48   Buse      57*
33   Love       50   Hairston   70   G Long    60
32   Ra Lewis   88   Bridges    60   Ca Jones  66*
31   Ainge      72   Rivers     68   
                                             
30   Arenas     51   Haywood    79* N McMillan 50
29   D Johnson  83   PJ Brown   90   E Johnson 66
28   Parker     74   Roundfield 65             
27   Rodman     90   E Campbell 63         
26   Divac      96   Kev Martin 43   
                                             
25   Price      71   J Drew     69   G Wallace 50 
24   Sprewell   56   T Porter  110   Cassell   88   Kirilenko 68   Fisher  58
23   English   101   AC Green  100   Free      68   Prince    53       
22   McGinnis   75*  T Robinson 53                   
21   Rondo      36   Finley     85   B Knight  64*
                                                 
20   Nance     110   G Williams 68   Ilgauskas 66         
19   Archibald  83   Strickland 86   Sloan     50       
18   Dumars     86   M Jackson  92   Murphy    84   R Pierce  72
17   Kemp       90   D Nelson   75   Guerin    69         
16   Stockton  208   Turkoglu   60   Artest    54
                                                 
15   Nash      120   B Barry    71  Brad Davis 54
14   Drexler   136   T Hardaway 85   Peja      84
13   Kobe      156   K Malone  235   Greer    103
12   Erving    181*  C Walker  117   C Maxwell 79     
11   Reggie    174   D Harper   87   Willis    82
                                               
10  Pierce     124   Ho Grant  118   E Jones  101
9   Nowitzki   161   Marion    110   Thorpe   106   
8   Reed        75   Parish    147   Sikma    113   Schrempf 110
7   Havlicek   132   Mullin     93   K Johnson 93 
6   Bird       146   Dantley   134   Wilkens   96
                                                           
5   Garnett    175   Barkley   177   Allen    131   Pippen   125   Frazier 114
...                   Carter   103 
                                         
4   Schayes    142   Mutombo   117   Perkins  105   Rasheed  105   
                                                 
3   Jordan     214  B Williams 120   Billups  118   Wilkins  118   McHale  113
                                             
2   Russell    164   West      163   Payton   146   Pettit   136   Kidd    130
...                   Howell   115   Unseld   110   Barry    129*
                               
1   Kareem     273   Oscar     189   Shaq     182   Robinson 179   Duncan  170
...                   Olajuwon 163   Magic    156   Bellamy  130   Ewing   126
...                   Hayes    121   LeBron   119   Lanier   117   Baylor  104

These are just Regular Season Win Shares.
Where I spotted an ABA veteran, I've listed their combined ABA and NBA Win Shares.
There are some real head scratchers. Bayard Forrest? Over Sam Mitchell?

And there is the inherent weirdness of players drafted by the NBA after they were in the ABA already.
Erving, Gervin, Kenon, Haywood, and others were drafted much too late by the NBA, relative to their (ongoing) careers.
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Re: nba-draft-greatest-selection-for-every pick

Postby rlee » Mon Aug 08, 2011 2:37 pm

I once saw someone post on their Facebook page:

"Friends don't let friends read Bleacher Report"

DeAndre Jordan ahead of Hap Hairston, Rick Mahorn, Derek Smith, Ty Corbin!
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Re: nba-draft-greatest-selection-for-every pick

Postby Robert Bradley » Mon Aug 08, 2011 6:45 pm

bayard forrest was a bizarre choice.
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Re: nba-draft-greatest-selection-for-every pick

Postby Raz » Fri Sep 07, 2012 6:46 pm

It's interesting seeing that John Stockton only falls 6 WS behind Jordan - I guess Jordan misses out on WS from the 2 "retirements"
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Re: nba-draft-greatest-selection-for-every pick

Postby Mike Goodman » Fri Sep 07, 2012 7:52 pm

I used Win Shares because it's there. It's a per minute contribution, multiplied by minutes. Thus, in theory, it's total contributions. But there are several things I don't like about it.
You notice Stockton among the all-time highest career totals. WS loves a good shooting% and hates a bad % (and turnovers).
Reggie Miller and Horace Grant are others who shot a high% and are ranked way high, it seems to me.

Putting this list together with WS, it just gives one way to judge the "size" of a career. Those which are close are of course debatable.
Using the (b-r.com) link above the table, you just click on the column header to sort by that category. Pk sorts by draft pick; and within each pick, players are sorted by career WS.
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Re: nba-draft-greatest-selection-for-every pick

Postby meej » Sat Sep 08, 2012 9:23 am

WS in the infamous "Rodman over Jordan" rating system, isn't it? Most combined stats love players who rebound and hate players who score.
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Re: nba-draft-greatest-selection-for-every pick

Postby Mike Goodman » Sat Sep 08, 2012 12:29 pm

meej, you are likely thinking of WP (Wins Produced). Yes, rebounds are the biggest part of it. It really is a joke.
WS likes Grant over Pippen most years, and that's borderline unacceptable.

Every system has its weaknesses, and many are based on formulas that are inflexible regarding the circumstances.
For example: In one playoff series, shooting 55% may be inadequate; in another series, 45% may be splendid. It depends upon the defense -- how everyone else is shooting.
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