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Google News Archives totally dead

Postby luckyshow » Sat Dec 07, 2013 2:43 pm

Doesn't seem to exist at all now. Not there...
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Re: Google News Archives totally dead

Postby rlee » Sat Dec 07, 2013 4:07 pm

You can go back to 1970 by typing your search term in a Web search (NOT a News search), then when you get the result, clicking on "Search Tools", choosing "Custom Range" and selecting a beginning date as early as 1/1/70.
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Re: Google News Archives totally dead

Postby luckyshow » Mon Dec 09, 2013 2:18 am

Sadly most of what I am looking for is around 1920 or 1930 or 1950 or 1890!

I am tiring of Google getting away from seriousness and true research. They seem to discourage real research, avoid catering to it. Preferring frivolousness. More profitable.

Yet is this how we will replace free libraries for research? By charging high prices and making it hard to find. Like proquest does. By making access impossible, and even, now just locating possible articles awful difficult to achieve.

Libraries are not being adequately replaced by computer technology, not as it is being accumulated and accessed, etc.

Trying to find convoluted approaches... Jumping through hoops. Like having to go in a library and search for un-indexed books or just guess at what is in the library.

Why couldn't they just leave the archives searching where it was? Just like when they removed the advanced archives search, it was unnecessary. Why did they do it. To make sure no one knows such a thing existed? Why keep shifting where the cache is, removing it many times? So I would use yahoo search instead? So totally irresponsible, unprofessional, cheesy, low class. And why have absolutely no supposed technology experts ever even mention this stuff when discussing Google? Because they too, never use any real research tools, preferring the Get Lucky button??
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Re: Google News Archives totally dead

Postby MCT » Wed Dec 18, 2013 4:18 pm

I've noticed that, in the past few days, I can't seem to find much of anything, even when repeating searches that have previously turned up hits. Either the content has been removed, or it effectively can't be searched, even if one uses the method Ray described above.

Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_news_archive) states the following:

On December 16, 2013, a Google News employee stated in Google Product Forums that Google News is "performing a much needed facelift on our News Archive search function," and that access to archived stories would be limited for several months while "this new system" is being built.[5] As of December 17, 2013, newspapers at news.google.com/newspapers are still available for browsing.


Footnote [5] links to https://productforums.google.com/forum/ ... GakhzIe_cJ
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Re: Google News Archives totally dead

Postby luckyshow » Thu Dec 19, 2013 10:39 pm

So in 6 months they will say no one used the Google News Archives so we dropped it.

Isn't this why they even make finding the regular Advanced Search hard, and changing the parameters even harder to figure out? Google deliberately does sabotage to anything even slightly above the lowest common denominator.
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Re: Google News Archives totally dead

Postby MCT » Tue Dec 31, 2013 9:35 pm

After attempting some further searches, it looks like this is the current situation:

--The content appears to still be there, but it is extremely difficult to do any kind of targeted search on it.

--Any type of Google search function which allows you to search for a targeted date range -- whether on Google News Archive, or Google Newspapers, or a general Google search -- does not work. It will return a message stating that there are no results (even for searches for which there obviously must be results, or that you know have results from having done them in the past).

--If you do a search at google.com/newspapers, you will get some results, as long as you don't try to use a targeted date range (as described above, such a search will return a message stating that there are no hits). It will only give you three results out of the Google News Archive, however. All further results will be the same as what you would get if you did a general web search. If you are able to narrow down your search terms, you may be able to find what you are looking for, but you can't search by date range, and you will get a maximum of three Archive results.

--In the Google News form where you used to be able to do an Archive search, there are instructions directing the reader to do a general Google search, similar to what Ray described in his December 7 post. At least currently (bearing in mind that you can't search a targeted date range, for the reasons discussed above), you are essentially doing nothing more than a general web search, and you what you will get back is general web search results. There may be a couple of Archive results mixed in, but you're not really doing an Archive search.
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Re: Google News Archives totally dead

Postby luckyshow » Tue Dec 31, 2013 11:42 pm

Yeah....and getting just three archive results folded in to hundreds of typical Google overindulgence...is pretty pointless.

The question is: Is it deliberately made so obtuse and superfluous? I mean Google buries the normal Advanced Search, so only those who look for it will discover it, discover the options.

Probably meaning one day it will be eliminated because too few access it.

It seems Google tries to dummy down.

Now newspaperarchive.com really does similar. The Advanced search option is almost in agate type on a page of overdoing almost every other font and graphic. And that isn't a Google conspiracy...
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