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HOF for point shavers?

PostPosted: Thu Feb 19, 2015 5:07 am
by luckyshow
If Connie Hawkins is in the HOF, should Bill Spivey or Sherman White, Ralph Beard or Alex Groza also be in it?

Just asking...

Re: HOF for point shavers?

PostPosted: Thu Feb 19, 2015 9:49 am
by meej
You are right. If we let one guy who did not even play varsity games, we should also induct players who shaved points. The connection is self-evident.

Re: HOF for point shavers?

PostPosted: Sat Feb 21, 2015 5:43 pm
by luckyshow
I appreciate your biting sarcasm.

He took money from Jack Molinas.

The NFL once suspended Frank Filchock for attending a gambler's penthouse party before the NFL championship game. He took no money. The Giants were over two touchdown underdogs. He was banned from the NFL, from American pro football, for over 15 years.

Jack Molinas went to prison, I believe. He was deeply involved in fixing games. Was he really just a nice guy helping a fellow New Yorker?

I fail to see what not playing varsity has to do with anything. Hawkins didn't get in trouble for that. Inexperience isn't a crime. Did Johnny Unitas play varsity football? What does it have to do with this. Molinas went to prison for this one (also including Roger Brown). He was only banned from the NBA for his earlier activities. HAwkins didn't shave points

The 1950 CCNY kids were just as naive as Connie Hawkins was in taking money. I don't know how much ball they played in high school. Did Hawkins play his sophomore year? How do we know what he may have done.

Re: HOF for point shavers?

PostPosted: Sat Feb 21, 2015 7:56 pm
by rlee
Unitas was an outstanding varsity quarterback at University of Louisville

Re: HOF for point shavers?

PostPosted: Wed Mar 04, 2015 8:04 pm
by Jay
In the Wizard of Odds, Molinas was quoted as naming names of players on the Pistons who threw games, namely Foust, Brian and Phillip. He even alluded that the Pistons threw the 1955 series to the Nats. None of these guys (to my knowledge) were ever associated with point shaving, but Phillip is in the HOF. Can you believe Molinas 100%? He was bitter and always thought he was a scapegoat.

Re: HOF for point shavers?

PostPosted: Mon Mar 09, 2015 5:43 pm
by luckyshow
I think we've entered a different era now, anyway. Where gambling is accepted. So when any fixers or point shavers will be found now, they will be treated as less criminal and more as having a disease. SO it will be accepted as just another "scandal" like taking drugs, or beating a spouse.

Look about us/ Politicians used to destroy gambling machines, even pin ball machines. Now even anti-tax people accept gambling as an acceptable tax on the people, they even promote it with slick advertising to get more folk to join in their numbers games and gambling dens. It shows something about a sort of politics prevalent in this country, though I am unsure what it shows exactly. That moralists have shaky pronciples? Are not really genuine. That the masses don't know their ass from their face? I don't know....