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Re: Gotta love these curios

Postby Mike Goodman » Thu Apr 11, 2013 7:41 pm

Robert Bradley wrote:.. we all know Wilt never did it!

Wilt never recorded it.
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AARGH!!

Postby rlee » Sat Apr 13, 2013 2:14 am

From this season's GSW Media Guide re: Steph Curry's 2011-12 season:

-One of only seven players to post multiple games with at least 36 points and six assists (joining LeBron James, Russell
Westbrook, Kobe Bryant, Tony Parker, Chris Paul and Deron Williams).
• Posted 32 points, seven assists, six rebounds and four assists on 1/25 vs. Portland, one of only four players to tally those figures
in a game (joining LeBron James, Monta Ellis, John Wall).
• Tallied 21 points, 10 assists, seven rebounds and six steals on 12/26 vs. Chicago, making him one of only two players to post
those figures in a game (John Wall) and (my favorite): one of only three active players to have posted those numbers in multiple games in a
career (Jason Kidd and Chris Paul).
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Re: Gotta love these curios

Postby Mike Goodman » Sat May 11, 2013 7:29 pm

rlee wrote:For the parlor game lovers among us, who is the only player in NBA history with career averages over 15 points, 7 rebounds, 3 assists, 2 blocks and 1 steal? (Of course, this is tainted by the fact that it can't be a player who played before some of these stats were officially recorded). But, still, for sheer oddball creativity, you have to love it.

Josh Smith, in 676 regular season games, is one rebound short of 8 per game for his career -- he's at 7.999

Nobody has career averages of 15-8-3-1-2. In fact, the complete set of averages for a season have only been reached by 13 players, since 1974.
Hakeem did it 6 times; Kareem 5 times; Robinson and Josh Smith 3 times; Garnett, Kirilenko, Walton, and Webber twice; Divac, Lanier, McAdoo, Nance, and Rich Kelley once each.
http://bkref.com/tiny/6iW7Y
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Re: Gotta love these curios

Postby Robert Bradley » Mon May 27, 2013 7:11 pm

I love the one touting Tim Duncan passing Wilt Chamberlain for all-time postseason double-doubles, without giving us any context, like how many additional games did it take him? Here are the all-time postseason leaders in double-doubles and the number of postseason games they've played -

Magic Johnson 157 of 190 (82%)
Tim Duncan 144 of 203 (71%)
Wilt Chamberlain 143 of 160 (89%)
Shaquille O'Neal 142 of 216 (66%)
Bill Russell 137 of of 165 (83%)
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Re: Gotta love these curios

Postby rlee » Sat Nov 09, 2013 11:18 pm

Damian Lillard is the only NBA player to ever record 100 points, 25 rebounds, 25 assists, and 20 3-pointers in his team's first 5 games.
Well I guess that settles who is the greatest first 5 game player in Assn history. Oh wait, you can fiddle with any of these #s just a little and come up with a different player.
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Re: Gotta love these curios

Postby Mike Goodman » Mon Nov 11, 2013 1:54 pm

Robert Bradley wrote:I love the one touting Tim Duncan passing Wilt Chamberlain for all-time postseason double-doubles, without giving us any context, like how many additional games did it take him? Here are the all-time postseason leaders in double-doubles and the number of postseason games they've played -

Magic Johnson 157 of 190 (82%)
Tim Duncan 144 of 203 (71%)
Wilt Chamberlain 143 of 160 (89%)
Shaquille O'Neal 142 of 216 (66%)
Bill Russell 137 of of 165 (83%)

So, Wilt failed to get a 10-10 in just 11% of his playoff games, while Tim is at 29%.

Wilt averaged 47.2 minutes in playoffs. In 44 games as a Sixer, he averaged 48.3 . He almost never sat down, even in blowouts.
In Tim's 149 playoff DD's, his median PT is 40 minutes. Only 11 times has he gone 47. A couple of times, he's gotten the double double in 27 minutes.

Here's one of his 27 minute efforts, a 114-83 win over the Jazz, in the course of a first round (2012) sweep:
http://www.basketball-reference.com/box ... 20SAS.html

Tim's backup, DeJuan Blair, got to play 23 minutes, scoring 10 points with 7 rebounds.
Together with Duncan's 12 and 13, they totaled 22 Pts and 20 Reb, in 50 combined minutes.
Wilt might have done that by himself. But would that have been better somehow? Was he just padding his stats by playing to the last minute, even in blowouts?
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Re: Gotta love these curios

Postby rlee » Sat Nov 16, 2013 5:43 pm

There apparently is no end to this silliness. I swear I'm not making this up: in a story in today's Sacramento Bee, it was reported that "(Isaiah) Thomas scored in double figures in the 1st seven games (of the season). That matched Spud Webb for the 3rd-longest streak by a Kings' reserve to start the season."

That morsel of info wouldn't even make a good trivia question.
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Re: Gotta love these curios

Postby rlee » Sun Jan 11, 2015 3:43 pm

This season's leading contender for the " Because we can" curio award:

"John Wall is the 5th youngest player in NBA history to reach 5,000+ pts, 2,500+ asts, 500+ stls in his first 300 games."


(Not the 4th, not the 6th, not the 1st 350 games, not games 50-350, not 2000 assists, not with x # of years of college, mind you! - but adhering to these oh so very specific criteria. "Time on your hands"is a wonder that opens an almost incredible array of options. And the notion of cross-fertilizing # of games with age is staggeringly imaginative.)
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Re: Gotta love these curios

Postby rlee » Thu Feb 12, 2015 10:16 am

I swear I'm not making this up...this is from Elias (way too much time on their hands) - re the Celtics win over the Hawks on Wednesday night: "The last time before Wednesday that a team with a winning percentage of .400 or lower defeated a team with a winning percentage of .800 or better after trailing by 14+ points in the fourth quarter was on December 2, 2008 - Troy Murphy's tip-in at the buzzer capped a 16-point fourth quarter comeback for the Pacers (6-10, .375) against the Lakers (14-1, .933)."
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Re: Gotta love these curios -and then there is this!!!

Postby rlee » Fri May 01, 2015 6:01 pm

"The success of Nerlens Noel can be broken down into three categories: the tangibles (both on and off the stat sheet) and the intangibles.

Noel’s Tangibles Traced Statistically

How much more simply can this be stated? Nerlens Noel is the last player since Hakeem Olajuwon to average 9.9 points, 8.1 rebounds, 1.7 assists, 1.77 steals, and 1.89 blocks per game. By many accounts The Dream is one of the game’s greatest centers and one of the best players overall in the history of basketball."

http://thesixersense.com/2015/05/01/hig ... ar-review/


(Note: pretty sure he meant "first player since", not "last player since" - but OMG!!!!. Also, showed it to a friend; his response: "This is beyond stupid. I feel dumber for having read it.")
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Re: Gotta love these curios

Postby Mike Goodman » Fri May 08, 2015 11:10 am

AND -- the 1.7 Ast/G is pointless. All previous 14 player-seasons with the other averages came with more Assists.
Hakeem owns 10 of the 15 seasons.
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Re: Gotta love these curios

Postby rlee » Fri May 08, 2015 4:43 pm

Mike, most of the "because we can" stuff is pointless or worse.
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Re: Gotta love these curios

Postby Mike Goodman » Tue May 12, 2015 12:08 am

I happened to notice Nerlens Noel averaged 2.1 steals and 2.2 blocks per 36 minutes.
The last player to have at least a 1000-minute season with these rates (or better) was Gerald Wallace, in 2006.
http://bkref.com/tiny/0vv49

It's a fairly exclusive list. David Robinson is there in '92; Hakeem 4 years straight ('88-91); Carey Scurry '86; Bobby Jones 4 times (1 ABA); Kim Hughes '77; Julius Erving (ABA) '74

Kim and Nerlens: http://bkref.com/tiny/EXppw
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Re: Gotta love these curios

Postby rlee » Tue May 12, 2015 1:44 am

Wow: the new Carey Scurry!!!!!
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Re: Gotta love these curios

Postby Mike Goodman » Tue May 12, 2015 10:07 pm

I thought Kim Hughes was an apt comparison, since they are the same size.
It's funny that so few have hit these marks. A couple of marginal players have done it, and a lot of great players haven't.
Not that there's anything sacred about 2.0 or "per 36 minutes". It's just become a rather standard unit of minutes. It's about what starters average in the playoffs.
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Re: Gotta love these curios

Postby rlee » Wed May 13, 2015 2:31 am

Hh, the meaninglessness of the "because we can" stat. Like someone once said, "Gotta love these curios".
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Aaargh!!!

Postby rlee » Fri May 15, 2015 4:38 pm

Hawks play-by-play guy just tweeted: Kyle Korver had six steals, two blocks and one 3 in G5, becoming the first player since Scottie Pippen with those or better in playoffs.
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OMG! - goofball curio of the season (so far)

Postby rlee » Tue Oct 20, 2015 4:15 pm

" There were only 8 players in the league that averaged 15 ppg, 3rpg, 2apg, 1spg while shooting +38% from 3 last season"

http://www.mavsoutsider.com/2015/10/20/ ... d-preview/


SMH!!!
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Another "too much time on their hands" curio

Postby rlee » Sun Oct 25, 2015 2:02 pm

" Last year Nerlens Noel became first player to average at least 9.0 points, 8.0 rebounds, 1.7 steals, and 1.8 blocks since Andrei Kirilenko in 2003-04."
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Re: Gotta love these curios

Postby rlee » Tue Nov 10, 2015 4:29 pm

Possibly my favorite all-time quote (from Ian Begley, ESPN, about a particular "exclusivity list"): "This is admittedly a random set of numbers."
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Yet another "too much time" curio

Postby rlee » Sun Dec 13, 2015 6:28 am

SMH & swearing I'm not making this up: someone at Elias actually came up with this so far beyond useful, interesting or relevant slice of information: " Giannis Antetokuonmpo is the third player to have a triple-double in a game that snapped a winning streak of at least 12, along with Michael Ray Richardson (for the Knicks in 1982) and John Havlicek (for the Celtics in 1973)." Finding this tidbit gives new meaning to the concept of "having too much time on one's hands."
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Re: Gotta love these curios

Postby John Grasso » Sun Dec 13, 2015 1:06 pm

Is this since 1973 or thereabouts? I don't believe anyone knows single game individual assists
and rebounds with certainty before then.
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Re: Gotta love these curios

Postby rlee » Thu Jan 07, 2016 8:28 pm

Can any one top this one?:

from KL Chouinard:


Paul Millsap is the only NBA player ever with
100+ assists
200+ def. rebs
55+ steals
35+ blocks
25+ 3FG
in first 32 games of a season.
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Re: Gotta love these curios

Postby Mike Goodman » Sat Jan 09, 2016 12:19 am

Well, 10 other player-seasons have the DReb, Ast, Stl, and Blk. But that's only known since 1986.
http://bkref.com/tiny/ImZlq
After Millsap in 3FG (25) is Kevin Garnett, with 18 in his first 32 games of 1999-2000.
Millsap is shooting .288 from the arc; KG was at .409, and he went on to hit a career best .370 for the season. The 30 3FG he made that year is more than he's hit in the last 10 years combined.
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Re: Gotta love these curios

Postby Mike Goodman » Sat Jan 09, 2016 1:05 pm

Millsap is really pretty good. Here's a list of players who have had a season with per-100-possession averages of at least:
26 Pts, 12 Reb, 5 Ast, and 2.5 Stl
Code: Select all
per 100   yr     Pts    Reb   Ast   Stl   Blk   3FG
McGinnis 1976   26.8   14.7   5.4   3.0   0.6   ---
Bird     1986   32.2   12.3   8.5   2.5   0.8   1.2
Hill     1997   30.9   13.0  10.5   2.6   0.9   0.2
Malone   2002   31.3   12.0   6.0   2.7   1.0   0.2
Millsap  2016   27.4   13.1   5.2   2.8   1.7   1.2

http://bkref.com/tiny/uvGxc
Not a slouch among them; just about one every 10 years.
Note Millsap isn't 5th in any category but Ast. The last 2 (Blk and 3FG) weren't part of the search (max 4 items).
I relaxed the parameters from his actual averages; otherwise, he's the only one with all 4 rates.
Oh, he has the lowest TO rate of the bunch, too. It's 3.5/100 -- Bird next best at 4.1
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