Jim Signorile's 101

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Jim Signorile's 101

Postby luckyshow » Mon Jan 03, 2011 11:57 pm

OK, I bet I asked about this one before. But lately, I have seen some answers. Have been having some luck.

So here is oen I am surprised I never found more on as he is from New York. I think

B French Professional League
101 pts. Jim Signorile, ____________, 197_ (from N.Y.U.)

I don't have a team or a year.
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Postby meej » Tue Jan 04, 2011 8:26 am

Ah, Jim Signorile.

Signorile started his European career with Real Madrid in 1970, you can find a picture here:

http://hemeroteca.elmundodeportivo.es/p ... 3/pdf.html

Back then, the Spanish league only allowed one foreign player but European competitions allowed two, so Real Madrid usually signed a second foreigner to play the European Cup (Clifford Luyk was the established star of the team; Wayne Brabender, also on the team, had received the Spanish nationality). In May 1970 it was reported that Jim Signorile, a 6-8 forward/center, would play the European Cup with Real Madrid for the forthcoming 1970-71 season. Even though Real Madrid did not make it to the finals, he played quite well and reportedly Real Madrid tried to get him naturalized, but nothing came out of it.

He left for France, where he played for a team in Clermont Ferrand until 1975, when he returned to the US. I think that he started in the second division and eventually they were promoted to the first division. There is a mention of the 101-point game here:

http://hemeroteca.elmundodeportivo.es/p ... 7/pdf.html

According to that piece of news, the game took place on Saturday 05 February 1972, and Stade Clermontol beat Agen 141-68. It was the French Second Division.
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Szczerbiak?

Postby luckyshow » Tue Jan 04, 2011 5:22 pm

Thanks! Wow, two mysteries solved.

I tried this archives. Hit and miss for me, I guess.

On this page:
http://hemeroteca.elmundodeportivo.es/preview/1996/08/20/pagina-36/1002353/pdf.html?search=53%20punto

is "Walter" on Madrid what they called Walter Szczerbiak?
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Postby meej » Tue Jan 04, 2011 8:40 pm

Yes, they even put "Walter" on the jersey. He always joked nobody could spell his name right.

He never got the Spanish nationality, but he still spends much time in Spain. I met him at the presentation of a book on foreign players in the Spanish league.
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newspaper site

Postby luckyshow » Tue Jan 04, 2011 9:48 pm

On the El Mundo Deportivo newspaper search engine/archive, how would I search for two terms at same time.

Such as "47 puntos" and "baloncesto"

When I try that it either makes it into one exact phrase with the "and" r searches for the words "puntos" and "and"

Or it only looks for one date. Evidently if this is possible I haven't found it yet. Mostly what I did was look for a phrase they use on the basketball summary page (and for other sports), but this only worked so far (see my listings to see what I found), finding the highest for a given season. Mostly late 1970s, early 80s.

When did the current league begin?
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Postby meej » Wed Jan 05, 2011 9:18 am

I am afraid I can't get the hang of it either. I usually string a few terms hoping that the "relevance" setting will kick off, but mostly I have to sort them out myself.

I am guessing you are looking for Walter's famous 47-point debut vs arch-nemesis Barcelona:

http://hemeroteca.elmundodeportivo.es/p ... 1/pdf.html

The current league as in ACB was established in 1983, for the 83-84 season. However, it carried over from the Liga Nacional (1957-1983). It was an organizational change as the new league was managed by the clubs themselves instead of the federation, but they maintained the same structure as before, same teams etc.
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Postby luckyshow » Thu Jan 06, 2011 6:10 am

Thanks for that one. I am looking for all games where a player scores 47 or higher. So far I mostly have found the season best game for a few years.

I am surprised that Derrick Gervin doesn't find anything. Am I spelling his name wrong?
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Postby meej » Thu Jan 06, 2011 9:36 am

"Derrick Gervin, Kill'Em All!"

That was in Cordoba, I think, Primera B (second division). He averaged over 46 ppg in 1987-88 for Cajasur. I don't think Primera B got much coverage, but I have a couple interviews with him from basketball magazines. He became some sort of cult hero as scored over 60 three times: 64 vs Ferris Lliria (110-98, 23 Jan 88), 63 vs Galeones de Vigo , 61 vs Badajoz.

The funny thing was, Cajasur Córdoba had other foreign players. But they played a preseason game against a team of US players looking for contracts (named "Larios All Stars", as they were sponsored by Gin Larios) and Derrick Gervin scored 53 for Larios All-Stars (120-182, 26 Aug 87). Cajasol Cordoba fired one of its players and signed Gervin on the spot. He scored 48 in his first game vs Caja San Fernando Sevilla (a friendly).

However, his utter lack of defense eventually doomed the team, which ended up being relegated despite his scoring.

http://www.eldiadecordoba.es/article/de ... ecano.html

http://www.diariocordoba.com/noticias/n ... kid=378087

http://www.basketconfidencial.com/autor ... sco+Merino
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Gervin

Postby luckyshow » Thu Jan 06, 2011 6:49 pm

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Re: Gervin

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Postby luckyshow » Fri Jan 07, 2011 1:47 am

This is growing into a monster

Division 1 B
64 pts. Derrick Gervin, Cordoba Cajasur (W 110-98) Ferris Lloria, 1/23/1988
63 pts. Derrick Gervin, Cordoba Cajasur v Galeones de Vigo, Dec. 1987 (124 pts. in 2 games)
61 pts. Derrick Gervin, Cordoba Cajasur v. Badajoz, Dec. 1987
59 pts. Derrick Gervin, Cordoba Cajasur (L 94-98) at Playa de las Americas, Oct. 3, 1987
56 pts. Derrick Gervin, Cordoba Cajasur (L 102-126) Metro Santa Coloma, Oct. 24, 1987
56 pts. Ken Green, Tensur (L 103-105) at Cajasur Cordoba, Jan. 2, 1988
Cajasur's Derrick Gavin had 54 pts. in same Jan. 2, 1988 game.
55 pts. Derrick Gervin, Cordoba Cajasur (L 95-109) Bosco, Nov. 18, 1987
Bosco's Ken Perry had 46 pts. in same 11/18/87 game
55 pts. Derrick Gervin, Cordoba Cajasur (L 114-121) Lagisa, Nov. 21, 1987 (Lagisa's ___ Lopez-Rodriguez 42 pts.)
54 pts. Derrick Gervin, Cordoba Cajasur (W 105-103) Tensur, Jan. 2, 1988
Tensur's Ken Green scored 56 pts. in same Jan. 2 game
54 pts. Derrick Gervin, Cordoba Cajasur (W 115-100) Tensur, Dec. 5, 1987
Tensur's Ken Green also scored 54 pts in same Dec. 5, 1987 game.
54 pts. Ken Green, Tensur (L 100-115) at Cajasur (Cordoba), Dec. 5, 1987
Cajasur's Derrick Gervin had 54 pts. in same 12/5/87 game.
53 pts. Wayne Carlander, Seguro Caudal (W 121-110) Hospitalet, Jan. 26, 1986
52 pts. Eddy Phillips, Canarias (W 104-101) Tizona, 10/26/1985
52 pts. Devin Durrant, Santa Coloma (W 99-94) Valencia, Oct. 12, 1986
52 pts. Derrick Gervin, Cordoba Cajasur (W 102-94) Claret, Sep. 30, 1987
52 pts. Derrick Gervin, Cordoba Cajasur (W 99-93) Salesianos, Apr. 9, 1988
51 pts. Derrick Gervin, Cordoba Cajasur (L 106-128) at Juver Murcia, Sep. 19, 1987 (Juver's Randy Owens 40 pts.)
51 pts. Derrick Gervin, Cordoba Cajasur (L 89-101) at Tensur (Tenarife), Feb. 6, 1988
50 pts. Wayne Carlander, Seguros Caudal (W 108-95) Nautico, 12/1/1985
50 pts. Curtis Berry, Procesator (W 118-79) Canoe, 1/25/1986
50 pts. Mike Schlegel, Clesa Ferrol (W 107-89) Cajasur, Oct. 17, 1987 (Cajasur's Derrick Gervin 42 pts.)
50 pts. Derrick Gervin, Cordoba Cajasur (L 86-91) Juver Murcia, Nov. 14, 1987
50 pts. Derrick Gervin, Cordoba Cajasur (L 106-110) Metro Santa Coloma, Jan. 9, 1988 (Coloma's Dan Bingenheimer 45 pts.)
49 pts. Eddy Lee Phillips, Canarias (Tenarife) (W 110-94) Caja de Ronda, Apr. 19, 1986
49 pts. ___ Bowers, Salesianos (L 94-118) at Feiraco (Santiago), Oct. 3, 1987
48 pts. Derrick Gervin, Cordoba Cajasur v. Caja San Fernando Sevilla, Dec. 1987 (non-league exhibition)M.font> (1st game played for team, 101 pts. in 2 games-see below)
47 pts. Eddy Lee Phillips, Canarias (W 107-72) at Canoe (Madrid), Dec. 7, 1985
47 pts. Eddy Lee Phillips, Canarias (Santa Cruz de Tenerife) (W 111-82) Nautico, 1/11/1986 Mike?
46 pts. Ken Perry, Bosco (W 109-95) at Cajasur (Cordoba), Nov. 18, 1987
Cajasur's Derrick Gervin scored 55 pts. in same 11/18/87 game.
46 pts. Derrick Gervin, Cordoba Cajasur (W 99-97) Tensur, Apr. 2, 1988 (Tensur's Ken Green had 44 pts.)
45 pts. Eddy Phillips, Canarias (W 94-92) Oximesa, Oct. 12, 1985
45 pts. Dan Bingehheimer, Metro Santa Coloma (W 110-106) at Cajasur (Cordoba), Jan. 9, 1988
Cajasur's Derrick Gervin had 50 pts. in same 9/19/87 game.
45 pts. Randy Owens, Juver Murcia (W 107-95) C. Orense, Nov. 18, 1987
Division 1 B Single-Season Scoring Average
46.3 ppg. Derrick Gervin, Cordoba Cajasur, 1987-88
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Postby meej » Fri Jan 07, 2011 12:21 pm

I will try and find out which Ken Green was at Ten Sur (there have been quite a few Ken Greens in Spain). So far I've found he was a 6-8 power forward who arrived from the "Atlanta franchise of the CBA".

Ken Perry played briefly in ACB when Bosco went broke. You can find a tiny bit of info here:

http://www.acb.com/jugador.php?id=NQN

He was a 6-10 center born in Evansville in 1962, whose balding head hid a surprising athletic ability. He played for several seasons in Primera B. He graduated from the Southern Illinois University in 1984.

Troy Bowers (Salesianos) was a 6-8 center, I found his name in the current staff of the Knicks of all places. He graduated from Boston College and had a long career in Europe.

If you are asking about the game vs "P. Americas", it was a regular season game in Primera B (second division in Spain at the time). The team in Tenerife played under several names depending on sponsorts: Hovima, Ten Sur, Playa de las Américas. It was always the same team.
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Eddy Phillips

Postby luckyshow » Fri Jan 07, 2011 5:28 pm

Thanks.

There was a Eddy Phillips, or Eddie Lee Phillips. Or maybe Philips, as was also used frequently.

Not quite as quirky as the habit of rarely using a full name!

I am assuming they had problems with these names like Eddie and Phillips?
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Postby meej » Fri Jan 07, 2011 6:10 pm

Well, that belongs into the vagaries of writing foreign names. The full name was Eddie Lee Phillips, but most people knew him as Eddie Phillips:

http://baskonistas.files.wordpress.com/ ... n10056.jpg

Back row, the black player in a grey shirt. Great player, top notch scorer and very aggressive in defense, but he was just crazy. Teammates, coaches and rivals feared his outburst, until he left the country in October 1987 after a fight outside a disco which ended with Phillips firing several shots at the building. He was arrested alongside teammate Mike Harper (gun possession is a very serious crime in Spain, to say nothing of actually firing them), and they both left the team, the league and the country.

Great player, left a mark in Canarias, but absolutely terrifying. He was bonkers.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eddie_Phil ... ketball%29
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Postby luckyshow » Fri Jan 07, 2011 9:38 pm

I had thought maybe this practice started with Spanish names which are sometimes very long and seem to have many first names. A Lopez-Rodriguez I found with a string of names in front.

Also, how do Ken Green or Ken Perry have hard first names to remember? I started thinking "Ken" might be a Spanish word, except I don't even think they use the K much normally. Or Randy Owens.

Szczerbiak makes sense. Oddly when I found Michael Jordan reports, they call him "Jordan" far more than "Michael" or "Mike" which was common here..


It certainly makes these harder earned. Finding them is hard since they don't always use the word "puntos" but just a number. Almost impossible to research by just a number. Then if I find something I have to figure out who it is! There were many Phillips, or at least two, for instance.

The ABCSeville site is better than the Madrid paper, in that it allows advanced searching, but worse as it doesn't allow right clicking to open the new page separately, without leaving the hits page....

Are there other such newspaper sites for Spanish papers that you know of and I haven't found yet?

This may be similar to how Google has some historic newspapers in their news archive, but I haven't found them listed anywhere. Or how the Fulton Postcard guy somehow has digitalized many New York state newspapers (how does he afford this?), but without date searches or easy page turning. Yet whether similar is done by anyone for Connecticut, Pennsylvania, New Jersey, Massachusetts, etc., is not determinable as far as I see...


OK, enough off-the-subject blah blah blah
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Postby meej » Sat Jan 08, 2011 11:49 am

ABC is not really user-friendly.

There is also elpais.com, it features an archive although it is a more modern newspaper and only goes back to 1977 or so.
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Postby stathunter03 » Sat Jan 08, 2011 3:58 pm

So far I've found he was a 6-8 power forward who arrived from the "Atlanta franchise of the CBA".


In 1987-88, there was only one Ken 'Kenny' Green in the CBA.

Name: Ken 'Kenny' Green
Size: 6-8 (2,03 m), 215 lbs. (98 kg)
Born: Sept. 19, 1959 at Newman, GA
College: Pan American
NBA Draft: Denver '81 (2nd round/34th pick)
CBA Team: Savannah Spirits (Savannah, GA)

Green played in 10 games for the Savannah franchise. Averaging 13.3 ppg, 7.2 rpg, 1.0 bpg, while shooting 70.0 % from the free throw line and 47.0 % from the field according to the 1988-89 CBA Register.

The thing is, he joined the team in Mid-February. Which means, that he played somewhere else before. Also, in 1986-87, there was only one CBA franchise in Georgia: Savannah. But Green played that season for Rochester.

Ken Perry, by the way, played also some games in the CBA.

Regarding ACB: Media Guides since 1986-87 are available here:
http://www.acb.com/publicaciones.php
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