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Bench strength

Post by Crow » Sun Mar 10, 2019 8:25 pm

By a very crude NBA efficiency differential at hoopsstats.com, the best performing benches are with the Nets, Clippers, Celtics, Heat and Spurs. http://www.hoopsstats.com/basketball/fa ... iffeff/1-1

Raptors, Sixers, Thunder and Rockets (the worst) with weak performing benches.

How much will it impact in the playoffs? I dunno. Probably less than regular season but still could be important in select cases for good or bad.

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Re: Bench strength

Post by pdevos » Fri Apr 19, 2019 1:33 pm

Here I was stacking 45 lb plates on the bench bar... *opens link*

Oh...that kind of bench. Gotta be Clippers with the top two 6th man candidates: Lou Williams, Montrezl Harrell. :)

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Re: Bench strength

Post by Mike G » Fri Apr 19, 2019 2:09 pm

Thru 3 playoff games, the Dubs have not slowed down Lou or Montrezl.

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Lou W    RS      PO
PER     21.2    29.3
WS/48   .123    .186
BPM      0.4     6.8
e484    1.64    1.79
        
Harrell   RS     PO
PER     23.4    28.1
WS/48   .193    .211
BPM      4.2     4.7
e484    1.63    1.63
The LAC starters total -0.24 Win Shares and -.08 VORP
The 2nd Five total .64 and .31 -- Lou and Mon total .71 and .34

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Re: Bench strength

Post by DSMok1 » Fri Apr 19, 2019 2:45 pm

Typically in the playoffs the bench matters LESS than in the regular season. In the playoffs the top 7 or 8 players see more of the minutes unless there are blowouts.

Lou and Harrell actually 3rd and 4th on the team in minutes in the playoffs, so calling them "bench" is kind of artificial.
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Re: Bench strength

Post by pdevos » Fri Apr 19, 2019 3:51 pm

Yeah. "Bench" could probably be called "depth" of teams, regardless of who's in the game at opening tip. Havlicek, McHale, and others over the years clearly were in their top 3 players at times, yet, came off the bench. Lou Williams is definitely in that circle for the Clippers. Montrezl could probably be in the top 3, depending on how you want to quantify "best" on the team.

Has Doc given a specific strategy as to why he brings them off the bench? I have my ideas/assumptions, just curious if that has been asked and commented on.

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Re: Bench strength

Post by Crow » Fri Apr 19, 2019 3:53 pm

Bench players are players who come off bench. Occasionally coaches put one of the best 5 players in that role. Sometimes it is to separate similar talents duplicated by other best players / starters. Sometimes it may be to maximize certain talents against second string opponents. Some coaches seem to like to "rev the engines" as the rotation is applied. Catching up or just doing better is a good look after coaching substitutions. Some coaches insert a defensive stopper or two in the starting lineup. Sometimes coaches want to play unconventionally but are reluctant to matchup that way against starters, preferring to do it against lesser talent, possibly against opponents forced to play differently.

Hoopsstats doesn't separate playoffs from regular season, so to get playoffs only info on benches as a whole, a different source is needed or it must be assembled.

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Re: Bench strength

Post by Crow » Fri Apr 19, 2019 7:10 pm

Given the great performance by the Pacers' starting lineup in playoffs, the bench must not be good as used.

The Clippers starters with 2 short minute starters has been a disaster at least unto themselves.

Magic starting lineup has sucked horribly. Something in the rest has been better.

Thunder bench has some players better than starters for on court and on/off but it is still a weak group overall.

Celtics starting lineup with Baynes and Horford together has sucked so far. So bench lineups in general have more than reversed that result. Previous starters with Hayward instead of Smart and Morris instead of Baynes have been great as have several other non Baynes lineups.

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