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PostPosted: Wed Jul 07, 2010 2:36 pm Post subject: Save the date: 2011 Sloan Conference is March 4-5 in Boston Reply with quote
Two days!
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 13, 2010 6:40 pm Post subject: Reply with quote
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Two days!
Not having ever attended, the Sloan conference had become so big and sprawling in my mind that I'd thought it had been a two day conference this year!
Which belatedly reminds me that NCSSORS should happen this year ... yup, Oct 16, again at Menlo College, south of San Francisco. Deadline for proposals was July 1 ... I actually had a couple of ideas, but I probably wouldn't have had time to work on them anyway.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 21, 2010 2:36 pm Post subject: Reply with quote
I've never attended, but reading the descriptions this year made me feel sufficiently jealous that I'm seriously considering trying to attend next year.
As a West Coast guy, the fact that it's two days makes it significantly more appealing since it would seem silly to spend more time traveling than at the conference.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 21, 2010 4:07 pm Post subject: Reply with quote
so john, will you join us at basketball city this year for some pickup?
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 21, 2010 4:12 pm Post subject: Reply with quote
BobboFitos wrote:
so john, will you join us at basketball city this year for some pickup?
Can we get ESPN to televise the game, or at least put up some box scores of our games on its site?
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 21, 2010 4:40 pm Post subject: Reply with quote
Maybe Ed can collect play-by-play.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 24, 2010 10:27 am Post subject: Reply with quote
Gotta see about the hoops. In past years it's been a choice between 4 hrs. of sleep + playing or 6 hrs. of sleep + no basketball. Sleep wins that one in a 2002 Lakers-Nets blowout.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 24, 2010 8:44 pm Post subject: Reply with quote
I am not going to ref the game and I wish everybody would stop asking me.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 25, 2010 12:01 pm Post subject: Reply with quote
Ed, your 21 jersey is ready and waiting. Duty calls.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 02, 2010 9:05 pm Post subject: Reply with quote
Hey gang:
Looking for a way to make your mark in this crazy old world?
2011 MIT Sloan Sports Analytics Conference
Call for Papers
1st Abstract Submission Deadline: Monday, October 4, 2010 at 5pm EDT
Full details here:
http://www.sloansportsconference.com/up ... Papers.pdf
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 29, 2010 10:01 pm Post subject: Reply with quote
A bump and reminder the submission date is coming up, though I'm told the organizers will be lenient if you can get something together later next week.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 30, 2010 12:28 am Post subject: Reply with quote
At last year's conference, the talks given by research paper presenters (Zach Samuels and Paul Raff, Brian Skinner, Kerry Whisnant, and me) were videotaped. Does anyone know what became of these videos? I've asked a few people involved with the conference a couple of times, but I've never gotten any info on that.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 30, 2010 9:15 am Post subject: Reply with quote
Just a note: As I'm sure DeanO, Roland, and others on here working for teams do, I get a lot of people asking me what they can do to get an analytically-focused job with an NBA team. While such jobs are scarce, getting a paper accepted by this conference is a nearly foolproof way to get noticed (for better or worse) in this field. If working for a team is your goal, and you've got a good paper (or the makings of one), I can't think of a better way to get most of the relevant people to pay attention to you than to submit the paper to this conference.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 30, 2010 12:01 pm Post subject: Reply with quote
mikez wrote:
Just a note: As I'm sure DeanO, Roland, and others on here working for teams do, I get a lot of people asking me what they can do to get an analytically-focused job with an NBA team. While such jobs are scarce, getting a paper accepted by this conference is a nearly foolproof way to get noticed (for better or worse) in this field. If working for a team is your goal, and you've got a good paper (or the makings of one), I can't think of a better way to get most of the relevant people to pay attention to you than to submit the paper to this conference.
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Interesting stuff.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 08, 2010 3:58 pm Post subject: . Reply with quote
I sent in an abstract. Hopefully you guys are right about them being lenient about late submissions Smile
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 08, 2010 4:08 pm Post subject: Reply with quote
Rhuidean:
You should be fine, since they extended the deadline for abstracts until October 30.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 08, 2010 4:33 pm Post subject: Reply with quote
Plus a poster session!
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 02, 2011 12:47 am Post subject: Reply with quote
Bumping this, since I think this is this year's thread. (?) ~A month away!
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 02, 2011 5:22 am Post subject: Reply with quote
Man, I wish I could go......
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 02, 2011 11:35 am Post subject: Reply with quote
I'll be there, probably a few days before and after the conference. Hit me up on twitter if you'd like to meet for a drink or lunch or something, or just to listen to me talk about Eddie House. I'll be talking about Eddie House a lot. And maybe Anthony Morrow. But mostly Eddie House.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 02, 2011 4:02 pm Post subject: Reply with quote
For those going: expect me to arrange the same two things (Fri nt, Sun am) as we've done previous years.
And ed: beard or no beard?
-MZ (eddie is one of my favorites)
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 02, 2011 9:49 pm Post subject: Reply with quote
He was the last player to score 60+ in a NCAA D-1 game until Ben Woodside did it in 2008.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 12, 2011 8:32 am Post subject: Reply with quote
Does anyone want to go to the Celtics game on the 2nd? Since I've never been to the States and I've never seen a live NBA game I wanted to catch one. The only other Boston home game while I'm still there is on the 4th. ..
There's a chance I'll fall asleep during the game though because my 11 hour flight lands 4 hours before the game
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 16, 2011 10:45 am Post subject: Reply with quote
I guarantee you wouldn't be the only conference attendee at Boston-Golden State on the 4th ... I think there's going to be a small wave of humanity that goes conference-game-bar on that Friday. Although a direct conference-bar itinerary is tough to argue against.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 16, 2011 11:03 am Post subject: Reply with quote
It's the Warriors? I won't be there, but I will certainly make sure to catch that game on League Pass. Don't want to miss Garnett vs. Udoh. That's the matchup everyone is waiting for - I know it. Laughing
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 22, 2011 3:44 pm Post subject: Reply with quote
Just learned I'll be attending, look forward to meeting many of you.
Ed Küpfer wrote:
I'll be there, probably a few days before and after the conference. Hit me up on twitter if you'd like to meet for a drink or lunch or something, or just to listen to me talk about Eddie House. I'll be talking about Eddie House a lot. And maybe Anthony Morrow. But mostly Eddie House.
As a big supporter and one of probably 1500 people in attendance of Anthony Morrow's 37 point breakout game GSW@LAC in 2008 I would like to talk about him as well.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 22, 2011 8:56 pm Post subject: Reply with quote
I'm probably biased as a Harvard student, but might I suggest the Harvard homestand against Penn and Princeton on the 4th and 5th? These games will most likely determine the Ivy League autobid (if Harvard wins the three games leading up to the Princeton game, they will have a chance to clinch at home) and the atmosphere will be great.
Ivy basketball is up this year, probably the best the league has been since 2002, and the atmosphere at Harvard games is fun. The Princeton game may already be sold out, but I'm sure there are still tickets for Penn.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 23, 2011 12:28 am Post subject: Reply with quote
Chilltown wrote:
I'm probably biased as a Harvard student, but might I suggest the Harvard homestand against Penn and Princeton on the 4th and 5th? These games will most likely determine the Ivy League autobid (if Harvard wins the three games leading up to the Princeton game, they will have a chance to clinch at home) and the atmosphere will be great.
Ivy basketball is up this year, probably the best the league has been since 2002, and the atmosphere at Harvard games is fun. The Princeton game may already be sold out, but I'm sure there are still tickets for Penn.
I was a grad manager with the Harvard bball team last year, so I'll try to attend at least one of those!
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 23, 2011 9:44 am Post subject: Reply with quote
Looking forward to seeing everybody there. I'm aiming to arrive just before dinner on Thursday....
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Mike, when does APBeeRmetrics commence? Thirsty minds need to know.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 23, 2011 10:32 am Post subject: Reply with quote
Jon Nichols wrote:
Chilltown wrote:
I'm probably biased as a Harvard student, but might I suggest the Harvard homestand against Penn and Princeton on the 4th and 5th? These games will most likely determine the Ivy League autobid (if Harvard wins the three games leading up to the Princeton game, they will have a chance to clinch at home) and the atmosphere will be great.
Ivy basketball is up this year, probably the best the league has been since 2002, and the atmosphere at Harvard games is fun. The Princeton game may already be sold out, but I'm sure there are still tickets for Penn.
I was a grad manager with the Harvard bball team last year, so I'll try to attend at least one of those!
Chilltown & Jon - Harvard's Keith Wright ranked quite high (47th) in my national player rankings when I last updated on 2-19-11 - is he THAT studly in your eyes? Just curious, I've never seen him play. The other top Ivy guys - Kareem Maddux (78th) - Princeton, Greg Mangano (112th) - Yale, and Ian Hummer (144th) - Princeton. There's then a bit of a drop off to Zach Rosen (320th) of Penn. Either of you guys seen these guys enough to have an opinion if those rankings make sense to you - are those really the top 5 guys in the Ivy League?
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 23, 2011 1:31 pm Post subject: Reply with quote
schtevie wrote:
Mike, when does APBeeRmetrics commence? Thirsty minds need to know.
More details following the trade deadline. no time today!
-MZ
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 25, 2011 9:30 am Post subject: Reply with quote
Mike, we're in big trouble. Bob Ryan likes your trade.
I need a drink.
When would that be, again?
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 26, 2011 7:42 pm Post subject: Reply with quote
basketballvalue wrote:
Looking forward to seeing everybody there. I'm aiming to arrive just before dinner on Thursday....
Taking the train again? I'm on the one that gets there at 7:41.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 01, 2011 7:32 am Post subject: Reply with quote
Now the press coverage of the conference is happening a week before the conference even starts, as this article in the Boston Globe shows.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 02, 2011 12:29 pm Post subject: Reply with quote
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basketballvalue wrote:
Looking forward to seeing everybody there. I'm aiming to arrive just before dinner on Thursday....
Taking the train again? I'm on the one that gets there at 7:41.
Hah, I'm driving up this time, will be checking into the hotel late afternoon I believe. See everyone there...
Thanks,
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 06, 2011 12:51 am Post subject: Reply with quote
I'm starting to think the meat of this conference has shifted. The basketball analytics panel is kind of stale at this point because of the limitations. Teams don't want to give away their edge and it seems the whole coach:stats guy relationship has been discussed to death. Of course, any panel with Cuban and Zarren involved will be very entertaining, though! I also don't have the best POV as I only was an online stream viewer this year.
One of the ultimate values is probably the independent projects and studies that had to compete with the best of the best submissions. Must have been the only day of all time that twitter actually added to my knowledge.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 07, 2011 5:37 am Post subject: Reply with quote
Yes, ssac hashtag has really been useful for the things that we missed during the hefty conference agenda.
Here's a another nice wrap for the basketball analytics session:
http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_ ... tics-panel
Many thanks to Truehoop bloggers!
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 07, 2011 2:15 pm Post subject: Reply with quote
Any reviews of the Adjusted +/- posters?
"New Player Evaluation Technique for Players of the NBA" by Jeremias Engelmann reminds me of back2newbelf's model. Is that you & your work?
I'd also really like to hear review / analysis of James Piette's poster addressing the impact of specific player pairings on outcomes and on player ratings.
Pure Adjusted +/- has its supporters for its purity and simplicity and it is worth seeing in its pure form, but if you decided to "adjust" pure Adjusted +/- how many adjustments would you make in the main model or split out after?
Possibilities (in no particular oder):
1. Of course multi-season
2.Garbage time
3. or scoreboard situation in general
4. Home / Away
5. "Rest"
6. Coach
7.Elevation
8. Pairings (beyond what is already done)
9. Possession Type
10. Regression to the mean, by regularization / ridge regression or other techniques
11. Out of sample testing
12. Greater adjustment of within team values to even more precisely match that teams performance / outcomes.
13. Or specific multi-collinearity "fixes" or "attempted corrections"
14. Some sort of inclusion of direct statistical contributions as a prior, in the model or in an after the Adjusted +/- model hybrid metric
15. Minutes
16. Age
17. "Player Type" or "Role"
18. Heightened emphasized on quality of counterpart match-up?
19. Heightened emphasis on performance against playoff level teams and playoff performance itself
20. Performance against opponent offensive and defensive types
What else?
How much overall noise reduction can be achieved by doing some or a lot of these things?
I found the Allocation and Dynamic Efficiency in NBA Decision Making paper by Rao & Matthew Goldman online http://www.justinmrao.com/goldman_rao_sloan.pdf
On quick review it seems to boil down to take a "good shot" (average or better) in the first 15 seconds of the shot clock. During the transition period of the next 5 seconds, a good shot is still preferred but taking a decent shot becomes more acceptable or just flat acceptable. In the last 4 seconds passing up a decent shot is risky and probably should not be done often.
The philosophy of "Get it early or get it late" is in fundamental conflict with the findings of this paper or a quick look at shot clock part shooting stats at 82 Games for teams or most players.
It might be useful to directly see the rate fouls are called thru parts of the shot clock in general and split down to court zone for shooting fouls and the OR% by shot clock part. Has anyone done either?
If there are any differences, they are affecting the efficiency point in addition to the shooter's decisionmaking.
Is Brian Skinner's paper available on line anywhere? Did they say how soon the conference would make them available?
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 07, 2011 7:23 pm Post subject: Reply with quote
Crow wrote:
Any reviews of the Adjusted +/- posters?
There was one poster on NHL adjusted +/-. I have no clue about ice hockey unfortunately, but knowing what I know about basketball I think there would, once again, be quite a huge benefit by using ridge regression instead. Apparently NHL.com has matchupfiles, maybe I'll do this soon. Is there a board for statistical analysis on ice hockey?
The guy who had a poster on NBA APM got sick and couldn't make it. At least that's what I heard. I think it combined RAPM and BoxScore statistics
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"New Player Evaluation Technique for Players of the NBA" by Jeremias Engelmann reminds me of back2newbelf's model. Is that you & your work?
Yeah that's me
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