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Re: Trivia
Posted: Sun May 29, 2016 7:02 pm
by Mike G
Progression of the record for 3-pointers in a playoff game (since 1984)
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3FG player yr tm opp
3 * Ricky Sobers 1984 Was Bos
3 * Rob Williams 1984 Den Uta
4 Darrell Griffith 1985 Uta Hou
5 Brad Davis 1986 Dal Uta
6 Michael Cooper 1987 LAL Bos
7 Chuck Person 1991 Ind Bos
8 Dan Majerle 1993 Phx Sea
9 Rex Chapman 1997 Phx Sea
11 Klay Thompson 2016 GSW OKC
* It may be that someone made 3 or more before 1984.
Three others hit 9 in a game: Vince Carter '01, Ray Allen '01 and '09, Jason Terry '11
Ray in '01 hit 9 of 13 and matches Klay in going 3/12 inside the arc.
Most playoff 3's thru age 27-ish:
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3FG 3fg% player
203 .406 Steph Curry
181 .328 Kevin Durant
169 .412 Klay Thompson
159 .312 LeBron James
146 .350 James Harden
136 .429 Danny Green
135 .329 Kobe Bryant
126 .385 Robert Horry
118 .358 Paul George
117 .357 Mario Chalmers
Re: Trivia
Posted: Sun Jun 05, 2016 11:58 am
by Mike G
Players who have averaged at least 25 pts, 6 reb, and 10 ast in a postseason:
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playoffs yr G Pts Reb Ast
Oscar 1962 4 28.8 11.0 11.0
Magic 1990 9 25.2 6.3 12.8
Westbrook 2016 18 26.0 6.9 11.0
At 25-
5-10, there's also one by Isiah (4 G).
http://bkref.com/tiny/Eqekd
Westbrook actually hit 25-6-10 in each round of playoffs.
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vs. G Pts Reb Ast
Dal 5 26.0 7.2 11.2
SAS 6 25.2 6.5 10.5
GSW 7 26.7 7.0 11.3
Playoff averages of 24 pts, 8 reb, 7 ast, and 2 stl, in any number of games:
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playoffs yr G Pts Reb Ast Stl
Bird Bos 1986 18 25.9 9.3 8.2 2.1
LeBron Cle 2016 15 24.5 8.9 7.1 2.2
Remove the Stl qualifier and you get also Cousy, Oscar (3x), Havlicek, Ruland. Bird is there 3 times, LeBron 5.
Just 10 entries of 24-8-7 that are beyond 1st round, LeBron with half of them.
Re: Trivia
Posted: Sun Jun 12, 2016 12:39 pm
by Mike G
Most Finals minutes without a turnover (1984 -)
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. Zero TO yr Min
Dale Davis 2000 177
Daniel Gibson 2007 139
Derek Fisher 2012 128
Tr. Thompson 2016 * 110
Tristan could wind up 2nd to another guy in similar situation: PF forced to play C against a superior opponent.
http://bkref.com/tiny/eq8i7
Most Finals minutes with nary a Stl, Blk, or FTA:
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0 Stl/Blk/FTA yr Min Pts Reb Ast
Scott Wedman 1984 73 37 21 10
Iman Shumpert 2016 * 69 11 8 1
Antoine Carr 1997 59 18 10 5
Craig Hodges 1991 53 19 3 1
Hodgie was on nearly his last legs here. These others at least did
something on the court.
Most Finals minutes with nary a Stl, Blk, or FG:
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0 Stl/Blk/FG yr Min
Sasha Vujacic 2009 22
Shelden Williams 2010 18
Jason Caffey 1997 17
Anderson Varejao 2016 * 17
James Jones 2016 * 16
Channing Frye matches Shane Battier '14 in most minutes without a FG (33 min.)
Here's everyone (since '84) to avg at least 22 Pts, 9 Reb, and 7 Ast in a Finals:
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Player yr G Pts Reb Ast
Larry Bird 1986 6 24.0 9.7 9.5
LeBron James 2012 5 28.6 10.2 7.4
LeBron James 2013 7 25.3 10.9 7.0
LeBron James 2015 6 35.8 13.3 8.8
LeBron James 2016 * 4 24.8 11.0 8.3
Note these last 2 LeBron appearances are well above the qualifying averages.
Most offensive rebounds in fewest minutes:
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OReb-Min. yr Min ORb
Dennis Rodman 1996 225 41
Tyson Chandler 2011 224 24
Tristan Thompson 2016* 110 22
Z. Ilgauskas 2007 103 18
Rodman 1989 94 13
Scott Wedman 1984 73 12
Aaron Williams 2003 71 10
Swen Nater 1984 60 9
Andrew Bogut 2016 * 52 8
Kevin Willis 2003 22 7
Ervin Johnson 1996 20 6
Anderson Varejao 2016 * 17 5
Hank McDowell 1986 9 4
Chuck Nevitt 1988 1 2
TT seems to have the highest OReb/Min rate, above 50 minutes. (Bogut+Varejao) is close.
There's Scott Wedman again! Career ORb/36 of 2.1 -- and 1.6 in '84 -- in those Finals he got 5.9
May as well finish the Wedman story. Progressive record for 3-ptrs in a Finals game:
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3FG Finals G yr 3FG
Scott Wedman 1984 2
Scott Wedman 1985 4
Michael Cooper 1987 6
Kenny Smith 1995 7
Ray Allen 2010 8
Showing only those who set the record. Curry hit 7 last year, twice; once this year.
Progressing team record:
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3FG yr tm
3 1968 NOB
5 1968 PtP
6 1970 Ind
9 1970 Ind
10 1993 Chi
14 1995 Hou
16 2011 SAS
17 2016 * GSW
There are 46 times that a team has hit 10 treys in a Finals game; half are in the last 5 years.
http://bkref.com/tiny/uIbbu
Re: Trivia
Posted: Mon Jun 13, 2016 6:00 am
by Crow
All 16 playoff teams had a PG in top 21 on RPM estimate in current dataset output. More than for any other position. But at the other positions all but a few (generally 3) teams had somebody in the top 21. Not all were starters. Some playoff teams had multiple players in positional top 21s. But RPM is just random, error-riddled fantasy, huh? Those estimates seems pretty compatible with actual team results. Assuming no explicit tweaking of the order to line things up to match results or expectations, that seems pretty good. At minimum I haven't seen evidence presented that the top player RPM ratings are out of line from team results on a frequent / random / major basis.
Re: Trivia
Posted: Mon Jun 13, 2016 12:05 pm
by Mike G
Where do you find current RPM? Copy/paste 21 pages from ESPN site?
Is there a (playoff + RS) edition ?
... I haven't seen evidence presented that the top player RPM ratings are out of line from team results...
A curiosity of mine is checking correlations between a player's minutes (or mpg) and his RPM, WS/48, BPM, etc. At least by team, it should indicate something. Not all coaches are equally clueless.
League-wide, this could be done with (min)^n, where the exponent may be near 0.5 -- Big minutes for a good team should infer a better player than the same player for a weak team.
Re: Trivia
Posted: Mon Jun 13, 2016 4:25 pm
by Crow
Where do you find current RPM? Copy/paste 21 pages from ESPN site?
Yes.
Is there a (playoff + RS) edition ?
JE told me on twitter that what we see now is RS plus playoffs. I have a saved version from mid-April that is free of 2016 playoffs.
Re: Trivia
Posted: Mon Jun 13, 2016 10:51 pm
by Statman
Crow wrote:Where do you find current RPM? Copy/paste 21 pages from ESPN site?
Yes.
Is there a (playoff + RS) edition ?
JE told me on twitter that what we see now is RS plus playoffs. I have a saved version from mid-April that is free of 2016 playoffs.
That seems to me a little dishonest or at least weird if all the other data they are including in the RPM pages are regular season only (games & MPG) while the RPM data includes playoffs.
Why in the world wouldn't they combine the "other" data (ie, Green played 103 games) to avoid confusion? It would be a little intellectually dishonest if they (not JE per se - I kinda assume he doesn't put those pages together) were allowing people like myself to pull the data and check playoff correlations (maybe relative to other metrics), when playoff data is included making the test very biased. I copied all the data, now I'm pretty sure it's a biased sample. This also makes testing the previous last two "regular seasons" against other metrics worthless if their data includes playoffs while all others don't.
Let's just say I don't trust ESPN all that much after doctoring all those historical Chad Ford draft pages using hindsight to make themselves look so much better in terms of identifying future star players. This isn't something quite like that obviously, but it seems sneaky allowing their sample to possibly seem unbiased when testing playoff results when it definitely is not.
Re: Trivia
Posted: Mon Jun 13, 2016 11:36 pm
by Crow
I might of misunderstood.
I asked him about some specific data on GSW on his tweet timeline.
https://twitter.com/bballstrategy/statu ... 7609487364 Maybe it was special limited run data. But there is no reason I can see to constantly update RPM after end of RS unless your adding something and so I assumed playoffs were in for the whole dataset. There is no indication on RPM page that they are doing it. So I dunno.
Re: Trivia
Posted: Sat Jun 18, 2016 12:12 am
by Mike G
After 6 games in the 2016 Finals, top GameScores for a Finals (updated from previous page)
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GmSc Finals yr G Pts Reb Ast Stl Blk
30.6 Shaq 2000 6 38.0 16.7 2.3 1.0 2.7
30.1 Shaq 2002 4 36.3 12.3 3.8 .5 2.8
29.6 Jordan 1993 6 41.0 8.5 6.3 1.7 .7
29.4 Jordan 1991 5 31.2 6.6 11.4 2.8 1.4
28.3 Magic 1987 6 26.2 8.0 13.0 2.3 .3
27.4 Shaq 2001 5 33.0 15.8 4.8 .4 3.4
27.1 LeBron 2016 * 6 30.2 11.5 8.5 2.7 2.2
25.8 Jordan 1992 6 35.8 4.8 6.5 1.7 .3
25.4 Wade 2006 6 34.7 7.8 3.8 2.7 1.0
24.6 LeBron 2015 6 35.8 13.3 8.8 1.3 .5
24.5 Olajuwon 1995 4 32.8 11.5 5.5 2.0 2.0
These are per-game averages.
While LeBron's scoring and rebound avg's are down from last year's Finals, his TS%, Stl and Blk are way up.
EDIT: LeBron ended up with avg GmSc of 26.5 -- still 7th best in the last 33 Finals.
Re: Trivia
Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2016 5:49 pm
by Mike G
Draymond Green had the best Finals Game 7 known to modern man, by Game Score
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GmSc finals yr tm opp Gm Pts Rb As St Bk
42.5 LeBron 2016 Cle GSW 6 41 8 11 4 3
40.8 Duncan 2003 SAS NJN 1 32 20 6 3 7
39.2 LeBron 2016 Cle GSW 5 41 16 7 3 3
38.9 Jordan 1993 Chi Phx 4 55 8 4 0 0
37.9 Shaq 2000 LAL Ind 1 43 19 4 0 3
37.0 Barkley 1993 Phx Chi 2 42 13 4 1 1
36.9 Jordan 1992 Chi Por 1 39 3 11 2 0
35.9 Draymond 2016 GSW Cle 7 32 15 9 2 0
35.6 Barkley 1993 Phx Chi 4 32 12 10 3 1
35.0 Magic 1987 LAL Bos 3 32 11 9 1 0
GmSc finals yr tm opp Gm Pts Rb As St Bk
35.0 Worthy 1988 LAL Det 7 36 16 10 2 0
35.0 Iverson 2001 Phl LAL 1 48 5 6 5 0
35.0 Shaq 2002 LAL NJN 2 40 12 8 0 1
34.7 Jordan 1991 Chi LAL 2 33 7 13 2 1
34.2 Malone 1998 Uta Chi 5 39 9 5 1 1
34.1 Shaq 2001 LAL Phl 1 44 20 5 1 0
34.0 Jordan 1997 Chi Uta 2 38 13 9 2 0
34.0 Wade 2011 Mia Dal 2 36 5 6 3 1
34.0 Isiah 1988 Det LAL 6 43 3 8 6 1
33.9 Drexler 1990 Por Det 4 34 8 10 2 0
Green eclipses Worthy's G7 1988 effort that won him Finals mvp. Also better than Isiah's G6 that year, in deciding (or potentially deciding) games.
http://bkref.com/tiny/hVGkk
Data is from 1984 to present.
edit:
When facing elimination, they rank: LeBron, LeBron, Draymond -- all this year -- then Worthy.
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Gm7 Finals TS% TRb% Ast% Usg% ORtg DRtg
Worthy '88 .682 21.8 41.0 32.0 127 105
Green '16 .955 17.6 44.4 19.4 172 97
Re: Trivia
Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2016 12:29 pm
by Mike G
Since 1974, players who have registered below minus-1 Win Shares
and VORP in a season:
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player yr tm Min PER WS/48 WS BPM VORP
B Averitt 77 Buf 1136 11.2 -.046 -1.1 -7.7 -1.6
Ch Scott 80 Den 1860 7.4 -.037 -1.4 -5.9 -1.8
W Boynes 81 Dal 757 6.1 -.091 -1.4 -8.2 -1.2
A Houston 94 Det 1519 9.0 -.038 -1.2 -6.8 -1.9
A Avent 96 Van 1586 6.9 -.037 -1.2 -6.4 -1.7
Sh Wright 97 Tor 1009 7.4 -.076 -1.6 -9.5 -1.9
A Daniels 98 Van 1956 9.9 -.032 -1.3 -6.2 -2.1
G Wilkins 98 Orl 1252 5.4 -.048 -1.2 -7.2 -1.6
C Carr 99 Chi 624 5.1 -.089 -1.2 -8.8 -1.1
R Mercer 02 Ch-In 1716 10.2 -.032 -1.1 -5.1 -1.3
player yr tm Min PER WS/48 WS BPM VORP
A Morrison 07 Cha 2326 7.9 -.030 -1.5 -5.5 -2.0
D Greene 09 Sac 725 5.2 -.074 -1.1 -7.8 -1.1
S Pavlovic 10 Min 877 5.4 -.063 -1.2 -7.0 -1.1
J Flynn 11 Min 983 7.1 -.064 -1.3 -7.2 -1.3
C Higgins 12 Cha 423 4.1 -.150 -1.3 -11.6 -1.0
M Beasley 13 Phx 1554 10.8 -.047 -1.5 -6.1 -1.6
A Rivers 13 NOH 1418 5.9 -.038 -1.1 -5.6 -1.3
E Mudiay 16 Den 2068 9.9 -.049 -2.1 -4.3 -1.2
Many were rookies; most played for bad teams -- thus the combo of higher minutes / weak performance.
Mudiay has one of the better PER and the least terrible BPM; his -WS shatters the previous mark.
The WS+vorp record seems to belong to Morrison, also with the most minutes.
Houston went on to all-stardom; Antonio Daniels was pretty good, and Rivers is working out somewhat.
Re: Trivia
Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2016 12:48 am
by Mike G
Same format, for playoffs: WS < -.3 and vorp < -.2
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playoff yr tm Min PER WS/48 WS BPM VORP
H Porter 74 Chi 150 10.2 -.112 -.4 -9.9 -.3
B Weiss 74 Chi 251 7.2 -.069 -.4 -6.0 -.3
P Chenier 79 Was 97 -1.4 -.179 -.4 -10.2 -.2
R Reid 87 Hou 431 5.1 -.041 -.4 -5.1 -.3
Jim Paxson 88 Bos 188 2.2 -.089 -.3 -9.1 -.3
S Vincent 88 Bos 251 8.3 -.059 -.3 -5.8 -.2
G Rice 92 Mia 119 8.1 -.152 -.4 -8.8 -.2
A Gilliam 00 Uta 132 2.9 -.147 -.4 -9.9 -.3
L Hunter 01 Mil 289 5.1 -.068 -.4 -4.8 -.2
Jo Howard 08 Dal 171 7.7 -.101 -.4 -7.3 -.2
playoff yr tm Min PER WS/48 WS BPM VORP
T Outlaw 09 Por 170 6.3 -.089 -.3 -7.4 -.2
C Butler 12 LAC 268 6.2 -.067 -.4 -5.4 -.2
G Neal 14 Cha 104 3.1 -.165 -.4 -10.4 -.2
JJ Barea 16 Dal 100 2.0 -.241 -.5 -12.2 -.3
In 100 minutes (4 G), Barea had 25 Pts, shooting .358; 20 Ast and 11 TO; 6 Reb. Opponent (OKC) ORtg was 122.
Re: Trivia
Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2016 6:25 pm
by rlee
Wade/Rondo combined for fewer 3-pointers last season than Steph hit in his first 14 games.
Re: Trivia
Posted: Fri Jul 08, 2016 11:57 am
by Mike G
Wade made 7 treys all season, then hit 12 in the playoffs.
That may be some kind of record.
Rondo hit 62 last year, more than doubling his previous high. Hitting .365 was .102 above his career norm going in. He had hit .333 midway thru the season, .393 in the 2nd half.
Both guys are on the upswing! from the arc.
Re: Trivia
Posted: Thu Dec 01, 2016 2:59 pm
by Mike G
Nobody has ever averaged 10+ points, rebounds, and assists
per 36 minutes for a whole season (of more than 7 minutes).
With last night's 35-14-11 (and previous games of 27-18-14, 17-13-15, 36-11-17), Russell Westbrook is deep into uncharted territory.
Here's everyone who's averaged 8-8-8 in more than a 44 minute season:
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3D man year min. Pts Reb Ast
Westbrook 2017 714 31.4 10.6 11.3
Oscar 1962 3503 25.0 10.1 9.2
Magic 1982 2991 17.4 9.0 8.9
Magic 1983 2907 16.4 8.5 10.3
Magic 1981 1371 21.0 8.4 8.3
Boerwinkle 1975 1175 10.3 11.6 8.3
Oscar 1961 3032 25.7 8.5 8.2
Westbrook 2016 2750 24.6 8.2 10.9
D Walker 1990 2883 9.6 8.9 8.1
LeBron 2017 539 23.6 8.1 9.4
Kidd 2007 2933 12.8 8.0 9.0
Ranked by best lowest number. Westbrook actually has the highest rate in all 3, except for ranking behind the center Tom B in Reb/36.
Oscar is the only player with a full season at 9-9-9
Jordan's closest approach was 1989, when he hit 7.2 in Reb and Ast. He had to give up his 30 Pts/36 rate to do that.
LeBron has his career highest Ast and Reb rates, along with lowest Pts/36 since year 2.