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Re: Most "Above Average" Player

Posted: Sat Jan 11, 2014 8:25 pm
by colts18
italia13calcio wrote:No... Are they available to the public?
They are. Go to the synergy site and type a players name and they will give you their defensive stats.

http://www.mysynergysports.com/

Re: Most "Above Average" Player

Posted: Sun Jan 12, 2014 10:33 am
by Mike G
At that Synergy link, I looked up Andre Iguodala and see that he's allowing .410 FG% (GS allows .430 as a team), and on 3FG it's .382 (GSW allow .344)
League-wide, averages are .450 and .360

Without separating for 2FG% nor estimating TS% allowed, this looks pretty average. Synergy gives him a 'rank' of 234.

Since AI is probably guarding the opponents' premier perimeter scorers (while Thompson and Curry are not), then what is the significance of the FG% of the guy he is guarding?
The coach should make defensive assignments such that no opponent is lighting up his team. Just as on offense, they should get more shots for the guys who hit them best.

Re: Most "Above Average" Player

Posted: Sun Jan 12, 2014 3:58 pm
by italia13calcio
Thanks, colt18, for the link. I'll definitely fiddle around with that. Do you know if there is a JSOR page with all players numbers? that would be most helpful to me.

Mike G. - I definitely agree with that. I looked around on Synergy and LeBron had pretty similar number to Andre Igoudala. Obviously Lebron is not a middling defender. When I calculated my Defensive PAA, it seemed to be mostly intuitive (Roy Hibbert, Brook Lopez, Robin Lopez, Chris Kaman, Larry Sanders, John Henson, Serge Ibaka, Amir Johnson, Andrew Bogut, and Joakim Noah were the top ten). Maybe its just that defending the rim makes much more a difference than defending open shots?

Re: Most "Above Average" Player

Posted: Sun Jan 12, 2014 5:36 pm
by colts18
Mike G wrote:At that Synergy link, I looked up Andre Iguodala and see that he's allowing .410 FG% (GS allows .430 as a team), and on 3FG it's .382 (GSW allow .344)
League-wide, averages are .450 and .360

Without separating for 2FG% nor estimating TS% allowed, this looks pretty average. Synergy gives him a 'rank' of 234.

Since AI is probably guarding the opponents' premier perimeter scorers (while Thompson and Curry are not), then what is the significance of the FG% of the guy he is guarding?
The coach should make defensive assignments such that no opponent is lighting up his team. Just as on offense, they should get more shots for the guys who hit them best.
Iguodala isn't guarding open shots. The teams FG% includes fastbreak points where I assume no one gets credit for defending.

Re: Most "Above Average" Player

Posted: Tue Jan 14, 2014 12:07 am
by italia13calcio
New individual player report on LeBron is up. He's still lagging around forth overall: is it because of his defense?
Check it out: http://aabstats.weebly.com/1/post/2014/ ... james.html

Re: Most "Above Average" Player

Posted: Mon Jan 20, 2014 5:04 pm
by italia13calcio
New rankings as of today are up. KD is running away with it. http://aabstats.weebly.com/1/post/2014/ ... s-120.html

Re: Most "Above Average" Player

Posted: Mon Jan 20, 2014 6:05 pm
by Crow
PAA per game and by stat category gives a clear sense of James' above average impact and where it is coming from. I'd encourage use of the per game numbers and the major components in addition to or over the seasonal roll-up.

Re: Most "Above Average" Player

Posted: Mon Jan 20, 2014 7:06 pm
by italia13calcio
Thanks for the input Crow. I'll keep on doing the individual player reports and I am thinking of including maybe just a table of the top twenty or so scorers on a weekly basis as to how they get their points.

Re: Most "Above Average" Player

Posted: Wed Jan 22, 2014 4:56 pm
by italia13calcio
Just posted on the top twenty scorers. To no surprise, KD is killing it in first. I also broke down the top 20 scorers by category to see where their strengths were. Check it out at: http://aabstats.weebly.com/1/post/2014/ ... orers.html

Re: Most "Above Average" Player

Posted: Wed Jan 29, 2014 9:06 pm
by italia13calcio
So I've been working with this data for a while now, and one of the things I'm worried about is that when I break up the shots into different types it favors players who take harder shots, becuase those shot types have lower expected points. For example, average players get more points from a close shot than from a pull up.

However, not all players can always take close shots, or catch and shoot shots - players like curry, lebron and durant have to run their offenses by themselves at times and not just camp out in corners or down low. So I guess my main question is: should I be worried about potentially overrating player who take a lot of pull ups? Or is it not fair to punish them for doing so becuase they have to run their teams offense?

I would love to get you guys opinion.

Re: Most "Above Average" Player

Posted: Tue Feb 04, 2014 5:28 am
by italia13calcio
Haven't had much time to update the site, I'm hoping to do something with the all-star teams. In the meantime, here's a very brief of the five best players not selected (by PAA) and the five worst selected:

Worst selections: Kobe Bryant (-6 PAA), Joe Johnson (59 PAA), Damian Lilliard (99 PAA), Dwayne Wade (100 PAA), Kyrie Irving (104 PAA),

Best not selected: Serge Ibaka (214 PAA), Ty Lawson (193 PAA), Monta Ellis (174 PAA), Andrew Bogut (173 PAA), Robin Lopez (154 PAA)

Not really a surprise that the best are all from the West and the worst are mostly from the E-league.

Re: Most "Above Average" Player

Posted: Wed Feb 12, 2014 4:47 pm
by italia13calcio
So basically my stat just got blown out of the water by Goldsberry's stat, which is basically a continuous version of what my discrete stat was trying to measure. Anyways, between that and increasing work I'm not sure how much longer I'll keep updating it, but for now here's one final ranking. I changed some things - for example, pull up shots and drives are now combined into 'dribbling shots' since in theory all shots that a player dribbles on are similar, which catch and shoot and close shots may be a result of positioning or game plan. Once again, KD is far in front.

Kevin Durant - 404
Stephen Curry - 323
LeBron James - 291
Serge Ibaka - 238
Ty Lawson - 208
Monta Ellis - 205
Carmelo Anthony - 190
Chris Paul - 190
Blake Griffin - 188
Joakim Noah - 187
Paul George - 187
Kevin Love - 185
Dwight Howard - 182
Dirk Nowitzki - 180
Andre Drummond - 179
James Harden - 177
Andrew Bogut - 176
Robin Lopez - 168
Isaish Thomas - 168
Wesley Matthews - 165
Kyle Lowry - 162
Anthony Davis - 160
DeAndre Jordan - 159
Paul Millsap - 153
Goran Dragic - 153

Re: Most "Above Average" Player

Posted: Sat Apr 19, 2014 12:03 am
by italia13calcio
Last post for the season, handing out awards based solely on my stat (my All-NBA first team is the same as Zach Lowe's).

http://aabstats.weebly.com/1/post/2014/ ... ap-up.html