Yep.permaximum wrote:That's the effect of ast*reb.
Statistical Trivia
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Not alone. Note that most of the other 7 are not particularly outliers in that regard. What other stats do they hold in common? What was up with Issel?Statman wrote:Yep.permaximum wrote:That's the effect of ast*reb.
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Issel in '84 was 35. He had career low ORb% and career high DRb%. Career low TO% and NBA career high Usg%.
His PER was right at his NBA career avg. WS took a dip to then career low, and next year would be his last.
We find 17 players who have had seasons with PER>20 and BPM<0 in >1000 minutes. This year, there are 5 more.
http://bkref.com/tiny/SteOi
Whiteside and Amare' are the lower-minute guys.
Mareese Speights has PER 19.7 and BPM -2.4 this year.
For his career, he's in some select company. Most minutes with PER>16 and BPM< -3 :Just a few more with >100 minutes.
His PER was right at his NBA career avg. WS took a dip to then career low, and next year would be his last.
We find 17 players who have had seasons with PER>20 and BPM<0 in >1000 minutes. This year, there are 5 more.
http://bkref.com/tiny/SteOi
Whiteside and Amare' are the lower-minute guys.
Mareese Speights has PER 19.7 and BPM -2.4 this year.
For his career, he's in some select company. Most minutes with PER>16 and BPM< -3 :
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player years Min. PER WS/48 BPM
Danny Fortson 98-07 8832 16.2 .121 -3.0
Marreese Speights 09-15 7800 16.8 .118 -3.3
Freeman Williams 79-86 6606 17.9 .072 -3.2
Enes Kanter 12-15 6091 17.2 .094 -3.3
Derrick Gervin 90-91 1082 16.3 .095 -4.6
Justin Willams 07-08 456 16.3 .116 -6.1
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Players with WS/48 > .200 and BPM < 0Whiteside is charting some new territory.
A lot of recent seasons are appearing in these "anomalies" lists.
Before this year, 8 players had gone 1000+ min. with BPM < 0 and WS/48 > .175JV is the first to go 2000 minutes with these strange numbers.
Whiteside is just so out there in PER and WS/48.
In 1000+ minutes, players with ws/48 > .125 and BPM < -2.5Well above avg by WS/48 and sub-replacement by BPM.
PER are all over the place.
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player yr tm Min PER WS/48 BPM
Whiteside 2015 Mia 1033 26.2 .222 -0.8
Powe 2008 Bos 809 20.9 .256 -0.9
Strong 1993 Mil 339 20.0 .208 -1.4
Fortson 2001 GSW 203 24.4 .258 -2.9
Mahinmi 2010 SAS 165 21.6 .206 -3.9
A lot of recent seasons are appearing in these "anomalies" lists.
Before this year, 8 players had gone 1000+ min. with BPM < 0 and WS/48 > .175
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player yr tm Min PER WS/48 BPM
Vandeweghe 88 Por 1038 19.8 .176 -0.2
R Pierce 94 Sea 1022 20.8 .188 -1.3
Geiger 94 Mia 1199 16.7 .179 -0.1
Magloire 02 ChH 1549 18.8 .177 -1.3
Randolph 03 Por 1301 19.9 .177 -1.1
Fortson 05 Sea 1047 17.0 .197 -2.9
Mutombo 05 Hou 1212 16.4 .186 -1.0
Mutombo 07 Hou 1289 14.4 .192 -0.5
Whiteside 15 Mia 1033 26.2 .222 -0.8
Valanciunas 15 Tor 2002 20.8 .192 -0.3
Whiteside is just so out there in PER and WS/48.
In 1000+ minutes, players with ws/48 > .125 and BPM < -2.5
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player yr tm Min PER WS/48 BPM
R Garrett 75 Chi 1183 14.2 .126 -3.1
Wennington 96 Chi 1065 11.0 .125 -2.5
Gatling 97 tot 1283 23.9 .145 -2.6
Fortson 05 Sea 1047 17.0 .197 -2.9
Haslem 10 Mia 2177 14.6 .132 -2.6
Hansbrough 12 Ind 1442 14.7 .129 -2.7
Hansbrough 13 Ind 1366 15.3 .154 -2.9
Biyombo 14 Cha 1072 13.3 .144 -2.5
Kanter 15 tot 2001 19.8 .136 -2.6
PER are all over the place.
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James Harden is the first player to make 700 FT and 200 3fg in a season.
Previously, Gilbert Arenas (2007) was the only player to hit 600/200.
Steph Curry shot .639 TS% and joins this list of player-seasons with such a good TS% and either most points or assists:Nobody at this TS% level has had more points AND more assists in a season.
DeAndre Jordan wound up with eFG% of .711 (2nd alltime, to Wilt) and TS% = .638 : his FTA dinged his TS% by .073
Previously, Gilbert Arenas (2007) was the only player to hit 600/200.
Steph Curry shot .639 TS% and joins this list of player-seasons with such a good TS% and either most points or assists:
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player yr TS% Pts Ast
Stockton '88 .645 1204 1128
Stockton '95 .651 1206 1011
Nash '08 .641 1371 962
Nash '07 .654 1412 884
Curry '15 .639 1890 612
LeBron '13 .640 2036 551
LeBron '14 .649 2089 488
Durant '13 .647 2280 374
Dantley '84 .652 2418 310
DeAndre Jordan wound up with eFG% of .711 (2nd alltime, to Wilt) and TS% = .638 : his FTA dinged his TS% by .073
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Best teams of all time, according to SRS:
http://bkref.com/tiny/ZPFUi
Just a few days ago, the Warriors showed up in the #3 spot, behind only the '96 and '97 Bulls.
Those early '70s superteams surely benefited from all the patsies they played. Almost half the league was recent expansion teams.
You have to go all the way down to #25 to find a team with a positive SOS -- last year's Spurs.
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SRS tm yr W L MOV SOS
11.91 Mil 1971 66 16 12.26 -.34
11.80 Chi 1996 72 10 12.24 -.44
11.65 LAL 1972 69 13 12.28 -.63
10.70 Mil 1972 63 19 11.16 -.46
10.70 Chi 1997 69 13 10.80 -.11
10.07 Chi 1992 67 15 10.44 -.37
10.07 GSW 2015 66 15 10.14 -.06
9.31 Bos 2008 66 16 9.31 -.95
9.15 OKC 2013 60 22 9.21 -.06
9.06 Bos 1986 67 15 9.41 -.36
Just a few days ago, the Warriors showed up in the #3 spot, behind only the '96 and '97 Bulls.
Those early '70s superteams surely benefited from all the patsies they played. Almost half the league was recent expansion teams.
You have to go all the way down to #25 to find a team with a positive SOS -- last year's Spurs.
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Anthony Davis ranks tied for 6th in points scored in his first 3 playoff games.
Kelly Tripucka struck for 26, 27, and 40 in a first round series against the Knicks. In 22 subsequent playoff games, he cleared 24 just one more time; averaged 15.6 in PO for his career.
UPDATE -- A Davis' first 4 playoff games have the best cumulative GameScore of anyone since 1986 except Kevin Johnson ('89), and by just a whisker -- 25.2 to 25.1
Next up are Curry, Jordan, and Paul, in 4-game GmSc
In the same interval, only LeBron had more points (137-126).
12 players got more rebounds, but only 3 of those -- Mutombo, Ewing, Robinson -- also had more blocks.
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1st 3 G year Pts
Kareem 1970 102
LeBron 2006 99
Tripucka 1984 93
K Johnson 1989 92
W Reed 1967 91
McAdoo 1974 90
A Davis 2015 90
Cummings 1985 89
Monroe 1969 88
Jordan 1985 88
UPDATE -- A Davis' first 4 playoff games have the best cumulative GameScore of anyone since 1986 except Kevin Johnson ('89), and by just a whisker -- 25.2 to 25.1
Next up are Curry, Jordan, and Paul, in 4-game GmSc
In the same interval, only LeBron had more points (137-126).
12 players got more rebounds, but only 3 of those -- Mutombo, Ewing, Robinson -- also had more blocks.
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Last night, Zach Randolph was shooting FT, and the guy said he'd hit 86% during the season. Maybe I heard incorrectly -- Zach hit 76% -- but I thought it must be unusual to be such a strong rebounder with such a high FT%.
With at least 1500 minutes in a season (5000 in a career), the best FT% for a given TReb% (since 1971) belong to these guys:
Both lists run from best Reb% to best FT%
Rodman's best TReb% coincides with one of his better FT% -- the next best Reb% are worse FT shooters: Reggie Evans, DeAndre, Drummond, Camby, Jayson Williams (who could shoot when he had to).
If Z-Bo had hit 86%, with Reb% = 18.5, he's still barely kept off the list by Bad Bill.
Gminski the only guy to make the 15 and .900 club. (Dirk came close)
Besides Love, others to hit 20 and .800 -- Kevin Willis, Garnett, David Lee, and Zaid Abdul-Aziz (Don Smith) back in 1974.
With at least 1500 minutes in a season (5000 in a career), the best FT% for a given TReb% (since 1971) belong to these guys:
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career TRb% FT% season yr TRb% FT%
Rodman 23.4 .584 Rodman '95 29.7 .676
Nater 20.9 .760 Love '11 23.6 .850
Fortson 20.4 .785 Laimbeer '84 18.6 .866
Love 20.1 .814 Laimbeer '87 18.0 .894
Laimbeer 16.7 .837 Gminski '88 15.9 .906
Sikma 16.2 .849 Bird '92 14.4 .926
Bird 14.5 .886 Bird '90 13.4 .930
R Barry * 7.8 .914 J Jackson '05 7.5 .931
. R Barry '80 7.2 .935
. Mullin '98 6.9 .939
. R Allen '09 5.9 .952
. Calderon '09 4.9 .981
Rodman's best TReb% coincides with one of his better FT% -- the next best Reb% are worse FT shooters: Reggie Evans, DeAndre, Drummond, Camby, Jayson Williams (who could shoot when he had to).
If Z-Bo had hit 86%, with Reb% = 18.5, he's still barely kept off the list by Bad Bill.
Gminski the only guy to make the 15 and .900 club. (Dirk came close)
Besides Love, others to hit 20 and .800 -- Kevin Willis, Garnett, David Lee, and Zaid Abdul-Aziz (Don Smith) back in 1974.
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Playoff leaders:Per game, Griffin is 7th in scoring, 3rd in assists, still tied for 1st in rebounds.
He has 3 triple-doubles in 8 games; also a 20-19-7
EDIT - Griffin has had at least 20 pts, 12 reb, and 6 assists in 5 consecutive games.
The only other players with more than 3 such games consecutively, since 1986 at least, are Webber and Barkley, each with a pair of 4-game runs.
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Points
195 Griffin LAC
176 Curry GSW
169 Butler Chi
162 Harden Hou
159 Paul LAC
Rebounds
106 Griffin LAC
106 Jordan LAC
81 Horford Atl
81 P Gasol Chi
81 Millsap Atl
Assists
65 Griffin LAC
63 Wall Was
62 Teague Atl
55 Paul LAC
51 Harden Hou
He has 3 triple-doubles in 8 games; also a 20-19-7
EDIT - Griffin has had at least 20 pts, 12 reb, and 6 assists in 5 consecutive games.
The only other players with more than 3 such games consecutively, since 1986 at least, are Webber and Barkley, each with a pair of 4-game runs.
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Griffin's unique streak was broken, as he got just a couple of assists last night.
But in 9 games, he's averaging 25.4 Pts, 13.4 Reb, and 7.7 Ast
Only 2 players have carried such numbers through a postseason:
Oscar Robertson, in 1963, got 32-13-9 for 12 games.
George McGinnis in 1975 (ABA) had his 32-16-8 playoffs run, 18 G.
Relax the requirements to 22-12-6, and you add Wilt, Erving (ABA), and Ruland (4 G)
http://bkref.com/tiny/feY1i
But in 9 games, he's averaging 25.4 Pts, 13.4 Reb, and 7.7 Ast
Only 2 players have carried such numbers through a postseason:
Oscar Robertson, in 1963, got 32-13-9 for 12 games.
George McGinnis in 1975 (ABA) had his 32-16-8 playoffs run, 18 G.
Relax the requirements to 22-12-6, and you add Wilt, Erving (ABA), and Ruland (4 G)
http://bkref.com/tiny/feY1i
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In last night's debacle, the Rockets hit just 40% of their 2-pt FGA
While this isn't historically bad**, it seems not one member of their team hit over 50% of their 2FGA.
Neither did anyone hit >50% of their 3FGA. However, the team hit .429 from the arc (12-28), equivalent to .644 from inside it.
They managed to combine the above scenario with .500 from the FT line (15-30).
Last time a team shot as badly on more than 23 attempts (in the playoffs) was 3 years ago, LAC at Mem.
http://bkref.com/tiny/KgZ16
DeAndre did not contribute to that mess. Reggie Evans went 2-8, Griffin 3-9, Bledsoe 1-5.
And the Clipps won.
** EDIT: In fact, the Bulls yesterday made just .338 of their 2FGA.
This is the worst playoff mark of the postseason.
Not one Chi player hit over half their 2fga.
While this isn't historically bad**, it seems not one member of their team hit over 50% of their 2FGA.
Neither did anyone hit >50% of their 3FGA. However, the team hit .429 from the arc (12-28), equivalent to .644 from inside it.
They managed to combine the above scenario with .500 from the FT line (15-30).
Last time a team shot as badly on more than 23 attempts (in the playoffs) was 3 years ago, LAC at Mem.
http://bkref.com/tiny/KgZ16
DeAndre did not contribute to that mess. Reggie Evans went 2-8, Griffin 3-9, Bledsoe 1-5.
And the Clipps won.
** EDIT: In fact, the Bulls yesterday made just .338 of their 2FGA.
This is the worst playoff mark of the postseason.
Not one Chi player hit over half their 2fga.
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This season, rookie Nerlens Noel went 2311 minutes with per-36 minute rates of 2.2 blocks and 2.1 steals.
Only 3 other players have gone as many minutes with 2 Blk/36 and 2 Stl/36 -- Bobby Jones in 1977, Hakeem Olajuwon (3 times -- '88, '89, '90), and David Robinson '92.
http://bkref.com/tiny/GF8Fh
Only 4 others have done it for as much as 1000 minutes in a regular season.
In the playoffs this year, Mareese Speights (GSW) has 3 of each in 51 minutes.
Ben Wallace in 2003 averaged 2.6 and 2.1, and did it for 722 minutes -- almost 4 times as long as anyone else has ever sustained. (His best RS Stl rate was 1.95)
Olajuwon did it twice in 1st-round eliminations, 160-ish min.
http://bkref.com/tiny/hKtvR
Only 3 other players have gone as many minutes with 2 Blk/36 and 2 Stl/36 -- Bobby Jones in 1977, Hakeem Olajuwon (3 times -- '88, '89, '90), and David Robinson '92.
http://bkref.com/tiny/GF8Fh
Only 4 others have done it for as much as 1000 minutes in a regular season.
In the playoffs this year, Mareese Speights (GSW) has 3 of each in 51 minutes.
Ben Wallace in 2003 averaged 2.6 and 2.1, and did it for 722 minutes -- almost 4 times as long as anyone else has ever sustained. (His best RS Stl rate was 1.95)
Olajuwon did it twice in 1st-round eliminations, 160-ish min.
http://bkref.com/tiny/hKtvR
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Before this year, just 9 players have had a postseason of at least 500 minutes with all these:
- PER > 25
- WS/48 > .225
- BPM > 8
Kareem did it in '74 (when BPM retroactively begins). Ten years later, Bird did it; then Magic twice ('86,87).
Starting in 1989, Jordan did it 6 times (missing only in '92, his baseball years, and '98).
Hakeem managed it once, but not in a title year. It was 1997, ending on Stockton's shot.
Then we have Duncan '03, Wade and Brand in '06.
LeBron's done it in '09 and '12-14, 4 times.
And this year, both Curry (26.9, .257, 9.5) and Harden (26.4, .235, 8.5) are pulling it off.
Just 18 player-postseasons in 41 years, likely 2 more this year.
http://bkref.com/tiny/YBnn4
- PER > 25
- WS/48 > .225
- BPM > 8
Kareem did it in '74 (when BPM retroactively begins). Ten years later, Bird did it; then Magic twice ('86,87).
Starting in 1989, Jordan did it 6 times (missing only in '92, his baseball years, and '98).
Hakeem managed it once, but not in a title year. It was 1997, ending on Stockton's shot.
Then we have Duncan '03, Wade and Brand in '06.
LeBron's done it in '09 and '12-14, 4 times.
And this year, both Curry (26.9, .257, 9.5) and Harden (26.4, .235, 8.5) are pulling it off.
Just 18 player-postseasons in 41 years, likely 2 more this year.
http://bkref.com/tiny/YBnn4
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Most playoff minutes with fewest assists:
And why is this timely? Well, I just noticed the Cavs with 2 starters getting fewer than 1 assist per 100 possessions. How common is this?
From a list of lowest Ast% for >250 playoff minutes, sorting by team and then by year, I pick out this parade of non-passing tandems (chronologically) --
http://bkref.com/tiny/vnfUG
Some of these aren't starters. You can get 250 minutes just by getting to the Finals at 10-12 mpg
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non-passers yr tm Min Ast Ast%
DeSagana Diop 2006 Dal 407 2 0.7
Serge Ibaka 2011 OKC 490 3 1.1
Mark West 1990 Phx 544 5 1.3
Tyson Chandler 2011 Dal 680 8 1.9
Tyrone Hill 2001 Phl 742 10 2.2
...
From a list of lowest Ast% for >250 playoff minutes, sorting by team and then by year, I pick out this parade of non-passing tandems (chronologically) --
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non-passers yr tm Min Ast Ast%
Bill Cartwright 1984 NYK 398 5 1.9
Truck Robinson 1984 NYK 362 7 2.6
A.C. Green 1987 LAL 505 11 2.7
Mychal Thompson 1987 LAL 401 9 2.9
Tree Rollins 1988 Atl 333 6 2.2
Kevin Willis 1988 Atl 462 11 3.3
Antonio Davis 1994 Ind 401 7 3.0
Dale Davis 1994 Ind 578 11 3.2
Antonio Davis 1995 Ind 367 7 3.1
Dale Davis 1995 Ind 490 6 2.1
Greg Ostertag 1998 Uta 336 5 2.4
Greg Foster 1998 Uta 335 5 2.6
Marcus Camby 1999 NYK 509 6 2.3
Chris Dudley 1999 NYK 294 5 2.8
Kurt Thomas 1999 NYK 419 7 3.0
Patrick Ewing 2000 NYK 461 6 2.6
Marcus Camby 2000 NYK 386 6 2.7
Tyrone Hill 2001 Phl 742 10 2.2
Dikembe Mutombo 2001 Phl 981 17 2.9
DeSagana Diop 2006 Dal 407 2 0.7
Erick Dampier 2006 Dal 454 6 2.0
Tyson Chandler 2008 NOH 412 5 1.8
Peja Stojakovic 2008 NOH 455 6 2.0
James Jones 2011 Mia 272 2 1.3
Joel Anthony 2011 Mia 575 10 2.7
Tyson Chandler 2011 Dal 680 8 1.9
Brendan Haywood 2011 Dal 275 4 2.2
Joel Anthony 2012 Mia 329 2 0.9
Chris Bosh 2012 Mia 439 8 3.3
Chris Anderson 2013 Mia 303 3 1.7
Udonis Haslem 2013 Mia 357 6 2.8
Chris Anderson 2014 Mia 317 5 2.5
Rashard Lewis 2014 Mia 319 5 2.5
Tristan Thompson 2015 Cle 480 7 2.3
Timofey Mozgov 2015 Cle 359 7 3.2
Some of these aren't starters. You can get 250 minutes just by getting to the Finals at 10-12 mpg
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LeBron is averaging 29.9 pts, 10.8 reb, and 8.5 ast, thru 19 playoff games.
The only player to match these averages in any number of games was Oscar in 1963. In 12 games, he went for 32-13-9.
Oscar averaged 47.5 mpg, while LeBron is going 42.
If LeBron's herculean performance gets his team to a Finals Game 7, he has a shot at getting the highest postseason VORP on record.Well, he already has the top spot. He could end the year with 3 of the top 5 spots.
Neither PER nor (especially) Win Shares are very appreciative of the effort. BPM and VORP get it, though.
The only player to match these averages in any number of games was Oscar in 1963. In 12 games, he went for 32-13-9.
Oscar averaged 47.5 mpg, while LeBron is going 42.
If LeBron's herculean performance gets his team to a Finals Game 7, he has a shot at getting the highest postseason VORP on record.
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VORP player yr tm min PER WS WS/48 BPM
2.9 LeBron 2009 Cle 580 37.4 4.8 .399 18.2
2.8 LeBron 2013 Mia 960 28.1 5.2 .260 10.2
2.8 Jordan 1991 Chi 689 32.0 4.8 .333 13.8
2.8 Olajuwon 1994 Hou 989 27.7 4.3 .208 9.1
2.7 Jordan 1992 Chi 920 27.2 4.1 .216 9.6
2.6 Duncan 2003 SAS 1021 28.4 5.9 .279 11.6
2.6* LeBron 2015 Cle 798 25.6 3.0 .181 11.0
2.6 Wade 2006 Mia 959 26.9 4.8 .240 8.9
2.5 Jordan 1989 Chi 718 29.9 4.0 .270 12.8
2.5 Jordan 1993 Chi 783 30.1 4.4 .270 12.8
Neither PER nor (especially) Win Shares are very appreciative of the effort. BPM and VORP get it, though.