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Re: Statistical Trivia
Posted: Tue Apr 11, 2023 2:10 am
by Mike G
In 2016, James Harden became the first player to lead the league in minutes,
with less than 3000 minutes, since the season went to 82 games in the mid '60s.
Not counting seasons shortened by lockouts or pandemic.
Mikal Bridges has (post pandemic) led the league with <3000 minutes the last 2 seasons. "Load management" has cut into player minutes all down the line.
An every-10th season survey of 1st, 10th, etc most minutes thru the eras:
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year Min.#1 10 20 30 40
2023 2963 Bridges 2693 Murray 2535 VanVleet 2432 Mitchell 2380 Washington
2013 3167 Lillard 2926 Holiday 2807 Batum 2685 Vasquez 2598 Griffin
2003 3485 Iverson 3226 Jamison 3044 R Lewis 2879 Jefferson 2747 Stackhouse
1993 3323 L Johnson 3098 Schrempf 2970 R Harper 2833 Bogues 2741 Sprewell
1983 3093 Thomas 2914 Nance 2811 Roundfield 2722 Banks 2602 Leavell
1973 3681 Archibald 3254 Kareem 3079 J Walker 2998 Bradley 2846 Guokas
1963 3806 Wilt 2712 Guerin 2544 Barnett 2294 Dischinger 1975 Cousy
Bridges' minutes this year would not have even made the top 30 in 1973 -- when there were many fewer teams.
Dejounte Murray's 10th place would be 30th just 10 years ago.
VanVleet #20 wouldn't have been top 40 until recently.
Re: Statistical Trivia
Posted: Sun May 14, 2023 3:56 pm
by Crow
Russell Westbrook (and usage)
Had only regular season in 15 year career above 56% ts% this time, with career lowest usage. Most of career it was below league average on high to extremely high usage.
Had only playoffs above 56% ts% with career lowest usage... as a rookie. TS% in this playoffs was under 51% and in line with career average, which was well below league average.
Re: Statistical Trivia
Posted: Mon May 15, 2023 10:53 am
by Mike G
Well, he shot better with the Clippers, but for the whole season his TS% was just .513
Even 2017, when he led the league in almost everything, his % was nothing special.
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RS TS% nba diff
2017 .554 .552 .002
2023 .513 .581 -.068
PO TS% nba diff
2017 .511 .563 -.052
2023 .509 .565 -.056
Re: Statistical Trivia
Posted: Sun Jun 18, 2023 7:23 pm
by Crow
Age is a stat... for coaches.
Popovich, 74.
Thibodeau is 65. Haven't heard that mentioned but it will probably come up in next few years. Casey retired at 66.
Carlisle pushing 64. Clifford going on 62. Same for Rivers. Does he get another Head Coaching job in NBA? He might not. McMillian at almost 59 probably doesn't. Donovan at 58, might.
Kerr at almost 58 certainly can stay in the league a lot longer if he wants.
Snyder at almost 57 is somewhat surpringly the next oldest.
The median is close to 50. Only 4 are below 40.
Other coaching age related trivia: 7 early era NBA coaches were born in 19th century. Only 1 of these 7 coached more than 2 years. Eddie Gottlieb was the exception, coaching 9 seasons. Won the first title of BAA. That increased both interest and ability to stick around.
Re: Statistical Trivia
Posted: Sun Jun 25, 2023 7:02 pm
by Crow
By Darko projection, only 5 sophomores are estimated at above neutral. Troy Murphy and Herb Jones are tied for first at +1.0.
Scottie Barnes, the untouchable, at 0.
Last season rookies, only 1 projected at above 0 and only 8 over -1.
But youth in chosen top draft picks will continue to excess.
Re: Statistical Trivia
Posted: Sun Jun 25, 2023 7:13 pm
by Crow
18 man rosters instead of 17 make a 1000 lineup season somewhat more likely going forward. Spurs and Thunder likely again as the main contenders for nearest that total next season but perhaps other will also compete for largest / most absurd number.
Re: Statistical Trivia
Posted: Thu Jun 29, 2023 2:38 am
by Crow
Celtics and Lakers won more than 50% of league titles thru 2010.
Just 1 in last 13 years. Could be the new normal, though diehards want way more and may still expect more.
Re: Statistical Trivia
Posted: Sun Jul 23, 2023 10:25 pm
by Crow
Michael Jordan as majority owners fails to get a playoff series win and absent from the proceedings the last 7 years and 10 of 13 years.
Tried just 2 Coaches. Presumably low paid, probably relatively meh.
Did not show much visible effort or much success. Next.
Re: Statistical Trivia
Posted: Fri Aug 11, 2023 6:42 pm
by Crow
MLS trivia
No team averages fully 2 goals per match. The lowest is at 0.7. Roughly 25% of matches are draws. Only 1 player in league barely averages more than 0.5 goals per match.
On average there is a score less often than every 35 minutes of match time.
Different world. Not for me.
Re: Statistical Trivia
Posted: Mon Aug 14, 2023 4:20 pm
by Crow
Daryl Morey's teams, so far:
16 seasons.
13 playoff appearances.
11 series won (under 0.7 per season, under 0.8 per appearance).
2 conference finals (0.125 per season)but no Finals appearances or wins.
At least 6 guys who will end up in hall of fame, maybe 7 or more.
Ahead of Presti on playoff appearances by 3 and series won by 1. Close on Hall of Famers. Behind on conference finals and Finals appearances by 1 each. (Presti's teams at 0.1875 conference finals appearances per season.)
(Simple uninformed mean probability of conference final appearance would be 0.133. Morey's team % is below that. 6 teams exceeded the Thunder on this during the period.)
Teams of 11 GMs won titles during these 16 years, with 3 winning multiple.
Riley's teams with 7 conference finals, 5 Finals appearances and 2 titles in these last 16 years.
Myers' teams with 6 Final appearances and 4 titles.
Lakers with 3 titles combined.
Based on this playoff performance data, there is clear tier 1, a tier 2 and a tier 3 (with Morey and Presti). Regular season tiering might be different, if one cares about that. Probably top 10 for career but arguable whether should be placed over any titlewinner. Maybe a few.
Re: Statistical Trivia
Posted: Fri Aug 18, 2023 10:57 pm
by Crow
WNBA all-time leaders:
Games 580 Sue Bird (Taursi 526)
Points 10888 and counting Diana Taursi
(over 33% lead on #2) Also 35% lead on 3ptrs made over Bird
Rebounds, efg% and ts%- Sylvia Fowles
Assists Bird
3pt fg% Jennifer Azzi at almost 46% (in short WNBA career)
Winshares Tamika Catchings by over 25%
Re: Statistical Trivia
Posted: Thu Sep 28, 2023 4:57 pm
by Mike G
"Lillard leaves Portland after 11 seasons in which he made seven All-Star and All-NBA teams ..."
Only 7 ASG in 11 years. He missed the cut in 2016 and '17, partly due to a HOF logjam of guards in the West:
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2016 Western Guards
player AS tm WS ws/48 BPM VORP PER
Curry * GSW 17.9 .318 11.9 9.5 31.5
Harden * Hou 13.3 .204 6.6 6.8 25.3
Westbrook * OKC 14.0 .245 7.8 6.8 27.6
Paul * LAC 12.7 .253 7.9 6.0 26.2
Lillard Por 9.2 .165 4.4 4.3 22.2
Thompson * GSW 8.0 .144 1.8 2.5 18.6
...
Kobe * LAL -0.4 -.010 -1.6 .2 14.9
2017
player AS tm WS ws/48 BPM VORP PER
Westbrook * OKC 13.1 .224 11.1 9.3 30.6
Harden * Hou 15.0 .245 8.7 8.0 27.4
Curry * GSW 12.6 .229 6.9 5.9 24.6
Paul LAC 10.6 .264 8.7 5.2 26.2
Conley Mem 10.0 .209 6.8 5.1 23.2
Lillard Por 10.4 .185 5.0 4.8 24.1
Bledsoe Phx 5.3 .118 3.6 3.1 20.5
McCollum Por 7.6 .131 2.0 2.8 19.9
G Hill Uta 5.9 .182 3.8 2.3 19.3
Thompson * GSW 7.1 .129 0.8 1.9 17.4
The 2016 selections look as if they
tried to get all the most deserving in. But Klay Thompson
had to be in; and that Kobe guy.
In 2017 a few guys could have been guard #4 or 5; again Klay, because the Dubs
had to have 3 guys in it.
The 2016 all-NBA guards included only Kyle Lowry from the East (3rd team). Harden was out, Lillard was in, and of course Klay.
Re: Statistical Trivia
Posted: Mon Oct 02, 2023 3:31 am
by Crow
Voting is hard but too easy / casual / conditioned for some or many.
Re: Statistical Trivia
Posted: Wed Nov 15, 2023 7:43 pm
by Mike G
On the b-r.com Leaders pages, we can see the 250 top season statistical performances in a number of stats.
For most players, Usage% and Offensive Rating are inversely related: LeBron's highest O-Rtg (2013) came with one of his lowest Usg%; and he is among the vast majority who never made
both top-250's in the same season.
These guys have done it, since 1974 when the stats begin:
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Usg:ORtg yr Usg% ORtg uRk oRk aRk
Jordan 1991 32.9 125.4 98 130 114
Jordan 1996 33.3 123.5 76 232 154
Curry 2016 32.6 124.6 112 170 141
Curry 2018 31.0 124.6 226 167 197
Lillard 2021 31.4 125.2 195 143 169
Giannis 2022 34.9 123.6 42 224 133
Jokić 2022 31.9 125.6 157 114 136
Lillard 2023 33.8 126.3 62 92 77
Shai G-A 2023 32.8 124.9 102 154 128
Curry 2023 31.0 123.4 221 242 232
Embiid 2023 37.1 124.1 13 192 103
Embiid * 2024 37.5 123.6 10 222 116
Jokić * 2024 33.1 129.3 84 51 68
* = incomplete season (9-10 games)
https://www.basketball-reference.com/le ... eason.html
https://www.basketball-reference.com/le ... eason.html
31 of the top 250 ORtg seasons shown are from this year, as are 14 of the highest Usg%
Last column is the avg of the Rank of the 2 stats. Only Dame last year has been top 100 in both for a season.
Re: Statistical Trivia
Posted: Thu Dec 07, 2023 5:08 pm
by Mike G
Just Another Holiday --
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2022-23
Holiday PER WS/48 BPM
Aaron 9.4 .053 -2.0
Jrue 19.2 .148 3.1
Justin 6.6 .008 -3.9
2023-24
Holiday PER WS/48 BPM
Aaron 13.6 .154 0.7
Jrue 12.8 .103 1.0
Justin 13.2 .150 0.3
Last season, they totaled 7.7 Win Shares and 2.5 VORP
After ~1/4 of a season, the 3 are more than 1/3 of the way to those totals.