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Re: Statistical Trivia
Posted: Thu Dec 07, 2023 5:28 pm
by Crow
Jrue Holiday, lowest BPM estimate in 10 years.
Lillard's, less than half of last season but 3 times Jrue's.
Re: Statistical Trivia
Posted: Sun Dec 10, 2023 5:12 pm
by Mike G
A rainy day.
Fewest totals in as many minutes:
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most/fewest tm min. FG
Danny Green Phl 18 0
Maxwell Lewis LAL 52 1
Oshae Brissett Bos 90 3
P.J. Tucker tot 239 6
Dean Wade Cle 303 18
Nic Batum tot 369 32
Joe Ingles Orl 411 36
Pat Connaughton Mil 416 38
Josh Okogie Phx 480 42
Mat. Thybulle Por 498 48
Royce O'Neale Brk 581 56
Mi. Robinson NYK 613 58
Kyle Lowry Mia 617 66
Taurean Prince LAL 618 69
Grayson Allen Phx 629 78
Harr. Barnes Sac 632 79
Isaiah Stewart Det 682 87
Kentavious C-P Den 779 88
Nikola Vucevic Chi *790 157
most/fewest tm min. FT
Jevon Carter Chi 325 0
Quentin Grimes NYK 431 2
Dorian F-Smith Brk 622 4
Malik Beasley Mil 652 8
Max Strus Cle 770 23
Nikola Vucevic Chi *790 35
most/fewest tm min. ORb
Vasilije Micic OKC 98 0
Cameron Payne Mil 375 1
Isaiah Joe OKC 433 2
Norman Powell LAC 511 4
Kevin Durant Phx 697 5
Coby White Chi 774 8
Kentavious C-P Den 779 10
Nikola Vucevic Chi *790 68
most/fewest tm min. DRb
Trent Forrest Atl 43 0
Gabe Vincent LAL 113 2
Kira Lewis NOP 128 7
Dru Smith Mia 131 8
Markelle Fultz Orl 143 9
Jevon Carter Chi 325 10
Quentin Grimes NYK 431 20
Mat. Thybulle Por 498 31
Kentavious C-P Den 779 34
Nikola Vucevic Chi *790 169
most/fewest tm min Ast
Jamal Cain Mia 76 0
Kevin Knox Det 130 3
James Wiseman Det 135 4
Nick Richards Cha 255 5
Kelly Oubre Phl 275 7
Chris Boucher Tor 292 8
Yuta Watanabe Phx 293 9
Dean Wade Cle 303 11
Walker Kessler Uta 377 12
Mit. Robinson NYK 613 15
John Collins Uta 683 20
Rudy Gobert Min 688 23
Michael Porter Den 735 37
Tobias Harris Phl 737 54
Kentavious C-P Den 779 61
Nikola Vucevic Chi *790 73
most/fewest tm min Stl
Trey Lyles Sac 136 0
Isaiah Livers Det 166 1
Marvin Bagley Det 366 2
Ivica Zubac LAC 559 4
Kyle Kuzma Was 658 6
Isaiah Stewart Det 682 7
Michael Porter Den 735 11
Pascal Siakam Tor 755 16
Tyrese Maxey Phl 768 17
Nikola Vucevic Chi *790 19
most/fewest tm min Blk
Jordan Hawkins NOP 596 0
Jalen Brunson NYK 743 1
Cade Cunningham Det 768 5
Coby White Chi 774 6
Shaedon Sharpe Por 776 8
Kentavious C-P Den 779 10
Nikola Vucevic Chi *790 16
most/fewest tm min TO
A.J. Green Min 110 0
Kris Murray Por 128 1
Otto Porter Tor 130 2
Justin Holiday Den 180 3
Keita B-Diop Phx 356 4
Nic Batum tot 369 7
Cason Wallace OKC 465 11
Gary Trent Tor 484 12
Tyus Jones Was 568 14
Malik Beasley Mil 652 16
Brook Lopez Mil 666 20
DeMar DeRozan Chi 748 27
Kentavious C-P Den 779 28
Nikola Vucevic Chi *790 40
most/fewest tm min PF
Chuma Okeke Orl 50 0
Tre Mann OKC 71 1
Boj. Bogdanovic Det 88 2
Luke Kennard Mem 172 4
Tyler Herro Mia 272 13
Jimmy Butler Mia 613 16
Tyr. Haliburton Ind 619 20
Harrison Barnes Sac 632 21
LeBron James LAL 734 25
Tobias Harris Phl 737 36
Tyrese Maxey Phl 768 39
Kentavious C-P Den 779 47
Nikola Vucevic Chi *790 63
* - league leader
Re: Statistical Trivia
Posted: Wed Jan 03, 2024 3:21 pm
by Mike G
All-NBA selections of the last 5 years.
Ranked by Total of: 1stTm*3 + 2nd*2 + 3rd*1
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T all-N pos 1st 2nd 3rd
15 Giannis F 5 0 0
13 Jokic C 3 2 0
12 Luka G 4 0 0
10 Curry G 2 2 0
9 Embiid C 1 3 0
8 LeBron F 1 1 3
7 Lillard G 0 3 1
7 Kawhi F 1 2 0
7 Tatum F 2 0 1
6 Harden G 2 0 0
5 Paul G 0 2 1
4 Durant F 0 2 0
4 Butler F 0 1 2
4 George F 1 0 1
3 Randle F 0 1 1
3 Siakam F 0 1 1
3 Kyrie G 0 1 1
3 Shai G 1 0 0
3 Booker G 1 0 0
3 Gobert C 0 0 3
3 A Davis C 1 0 0
2 J Brown F 0 1 0
2 Mitchell G 0 1 0
2 DeRozan F 0 1 0
2 Morant G 0 1 0
2 Westbrook G 0 0 2
1 Sabonis C 0 0 1
1 Fox G 0 0 1
1 Towns C 0 0 1
1 Trae G 0 0 1
1 Beal G 0 0 1
1 Simmons G 0 0 1
1 Griffin F 0 0 1
1 Kemba G 0 0 1
Re: Statistical Trivia
Posted: Sat Jan 06, 2024 5:18 pm
by Mike G
Where to put this.
After assigning full season "win" projections to players (thru 32-36 games) based on their BPM (most), WS/48, and (least) PER; they are sorted by team and assigned a rank within team.
Here are the 5 best and 5 weakest top stars, 2nd bananas, 6th men, etc:
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rk proW best tm rk proW worst tm
1 18.7 Nikola Jokić Den 1 5.7 Nic Claxton Brk
1 17.4 Shai G-A OKC 1 5.2 Malcolm Brogdon Por
1 15.4 Joel Embiid Phl 1 5.0 Terry Rozier Cha
1 14.8 Giannis A Mil 1 4.4 Devin Vassell SAS
1 14.5 Luka Dončić Dal 1 3.6 Cade Cunningham Det
2 11.4 LeBron James LAL 2 5.4 Kyrie Irving Dal
2 11.2 Tyrese Maxey Phl 2 4.7 Jerami Grant Por
2 10.2 Jayson Tatum Bos 2 4.3 V Wembanyama SAS
2 10.0 James Harden LAC 2 3.9 Mark Williams Cha
2 9.7 Chet Holmgren OKC 2 3.2 Jalen Duren Det
3 8.3 Rudy Gobert Min 3 3.7 Keldon Johnson SAS
3 8.1 Paul George LAC 3 3.4 Nick Richards Cha
3 7.8 Kr Porziņģis Bos 3 3.4 Santi Aldama Mem
3 7.6 Brandon Ingram NOP 3 3.4 Deni Avdija Was
3 7.3 Tobias Harris Phl 3 2.3 Marcus Sasser Det
4 7.6 Karl-A Towns Min 4 3.2 Kyle Kuzma Was
4 6.5 CJ McCollum NOP 4 3.0 Anfernee Simons Por
4 6.3 Jrue Holiday Bos 4 2.6 Zach Collins SAS
4 6.1 Ivica Zubac LAC 4 2.2 Jaden Ivey Det
4 5.9 Michael Porter Den 4 2.2 Ja Morant Mem
rk proW best tm rk proW worst tm
5 6.0 Al Horford Bos 5 2.5 Taurean Prince LAL
5 5.2 Herbert Jones NOP 5 2.2 Marvin Bagley Det
5 5.1 Imm Quickley NYK 5 2.0 John Konchar Mem
5 4.9 Naz Reid Min 5 1.7 Tre Jones SAS
5 4.8 Onyeka Okongwu Atl 5 1.5 Corey Kispert Was
6 5.7 Jaylen Brown Bos 6 2.0 Rui Hachimura LAL
6 4.4 Norman Powell LAC 6 1.9 Chris Boucher Tor
6 4.4 Jaime Jaquez Mia 6 1.8 Bismack Biyombo Mem
6 4.2 Jalen Johnson Atl 6 1.6 Cedi Osman SAS
6 4.0 Josh Hart NYK 6 1.2 D Gallinari Was
7 4.5 Sam Hauser Bos 7 1.8 PJ Washington Cha
7 3.9 Saddiq Bey Atl 7 1.7 Vince Williams Mem
7 3.8 Mi Robinson NYK 7 1.5 Cam Reddish LAL
7 3.4 Tyler Herro Mia 7 1.4 Charles Bassey SAS
7 3.4 Dorian F-Smith Brk 7 1.2 Bilal Coulibaly Was
8 4.2 P Pritchard Bos 8 1.3 Sasha Vezenkov Sac
8 3.1 Nicolas Batum Phl 8 1.3 Christian Wood LAL
8 3.0 Moses Moody GSW 8 1.1 Jul Champagnie SAS
8 2.8 T.J. McConnell Ind 8 1.0 Delon Wright Was
8 2.8 Christian Braun Den 8 .7 Brandon Miller Cha
rk proW best tm rk proW worst tm
9 3.0 Luke Kornet Bos 9 .9 Eugene Omoruyi Was
9 2.7 Draymond Green GSW 9 .7 Amir Coffey LAC
9 2.6 P Beverley Phl 9 .6 Nick Smith Cha
9 2.5 Dean Wade Cle 9 .4 Jaxson Hayes LAL
9 2.4 Jonathan Isaac Orl 9 .2 Garrison Mathews Atl
10 2.1 Trayce J-Davis GSW 10 .5 Otto Porter Tor
10 2.0 B Mathurin Ind 10 .4 James Bouknight Cha
10 1.9 Jayl Williams OKC 10 .4 Jevon Carter Chi
10 1.9 Anthony Black Orl 10 .2 Colin Castleton LAL
10 1.9 Tr Thompson Cle 10 .1 Trent Forrest Atl
11 1.5 Jordan Hawkins NOP 11 .4 A.J. Lawson Dal
11 1.4 Sam Merrill Cle 11 .3 Bryce McGowens Cha
11 1.3 Mo Bamba Phl 11 .3 Dalen Terry Chi
11 1.3 James Wiseman Det 11 .1 Gabe Vincent LAL
11 1.3 Caleb Houstan Orl 11 .0 Patty Mills Atl
12 1.0 Matt Ryan NOP 12 .2 Jericho Sims NYK
12 1.0 Wendell Carter Orl 12 .2 Chris Duarte Sac
12 1.0 Nikola Jović Mia 12 .2 Terry Taylor Chi
12 .9 Jalen Wilson Brk 12 .0 J Vanderbilt LAL
12 .8 Georges Niang Cle 12 .0 Mouhamed Gueye Atl
Lakers have the best #2 player; middling at #3 and #4; and among the weakest from #5 on down.
No attempt has been made to edit regarding availability (Morant) or trade (Quickley).
Re: Statistical Trivia
Posted: Sun Jan 07, 2024 3:52 am
by Crow
I like this strafication. Haven't seen anything like this elsewhere.
Productivity is heavily based on role / opportunity.
Horford, best 5th man. Jaylen Brown as a 6th best guy. Irving as 5th worst #2, J Grant as 4th worst. Cunningham as worst performing #1 even after his run. Kuzma as the 5th worst #4. Avdija as 2nd worst #3.
Wembanyama as 3rd worst #2?
Re: Statistical Trivia
Posted: Sun Jan 07, 2024 12:34 pm
by Mike G
Wembanyama as 3rd worst #2?
Yeah and Holmgren is 5th best @ #2. Are they closer than that 9.7 - 4.3 win disparity?
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xyzW xyz82 rook min PER WS/48 BPM pW WS bW
3.90 9.7 Chet 984 21.4 .187 4.9 3.5 3.8 4.1
1.73 4.3 Wemby 879 19.6 .027 0.9 2.8 .5 2.2
ESPN's partly functional RPM list has it Holmgren 1.73 - 0.59 Wemby.
https://www.espn.com/nba/statistics/rpm/_/page/2
I've done similar breakdowns with sum-of-x-men, like top6 total, etc. But it's hard to display names that way.
Re: Statistical Trivia
Posted: Tue Jan 23, 2024 8:23 pm
by Crow
According to BRef, average age is up .4 is at a 7 year high.
Avg height and weight are also up by one tick each, with height reaching 6 year high and weight going up second straight year after 7 years of decline.
Offensive rebounding up 3rd straight year, albeit from its near all-time low.
Re: Statistical Trivia
Posted: Mon Apr 15, 2024 1:22 pm
by Mike G
Season concluded and a few league-wide historic highs and lows:
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Hi 2024 prev. yr. Low 2024 prev. yr.
ORtg 115.3 114.8 2023 TO% 12.1 12.3 2022
eFG% .547 .545 2023 PF/G 18.7 19.3 2021
FT% .784 .782 2023 TO/G 13.6 13.8 2022
Ast/G 26.7 26.3 1985 FTA/G 21.7 21.7 2018
3fg/G 12.8 12.7 2021
Also 10-year highs in OReb/G and ORb%
Given the record high FT% with record low FTA, there were a record fewest missed FT/G:
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year FT FTA FTx
2024 17.0 21.7 4.7
2014 17.8 23.6 5.8
2004 18.2 24.2 6.0
1994 19.6 26.6 7.0
1984 22.6 29.7 7.1
1972 23.3 31.2 7.9
1964 25.3 35.0 9.7
1953 25.7 35.9 10.2
The last time we saw this much scoring, it came with twice as many missed FT.
Historic player-avg-Age highs and lows; noting bumps and dips of >0.3
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year age
1952 26.3
1955 26.7
1957 26.2
1958 26.8
1963 26.3
1969 26.9
1971 26.6
1974 26.9
1983 26.1
1999 27.9
2006 26.5
2008 26.8
2022 26.1
2024 26.4
The '2022' entry was at 26.1 for the last 4 seasons
Re: Statistical Trivia
Posted: Mon Jun 10, 2024 10:56 am
by Mike G
Playoff VORP as a fraction of career total (RS+PO) VORP.
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%po VORP! total RS PO
.27 Robert Horry 36.3 26.4 9.9
.25 Draymond Green 35.0 26.4 8.6
.22 Michael Cooper 24.4 19.1 5.3
.21 Rajon Rondo 29.6 23.2 6.4
.21 Tayshaun Prince 22.9 18.0 4.9
.21 Jayson Tatum 31.2 24.6 6.6
.21 Kawhi Leonard 60.9 48.4 12.6
.19 LeBron James 188.0 151.9 36.1
.19 Magic Johnson 98.3 80.0 18.3
.18 Kevin McHale 42.1 34.3 7.8
.18 Scottie Pippen 77.4 63.2 14.2
.18 James Worthy 35.7 29.2 6.5
.18 Dennis Johnson 29.7 24.3 5.4
.18 Manu Ginóbili 58.0 47.6 10.4
.18 Danny Green 24.6 20.2 4.4
.18 John Starks 20.0 16.5 3.5
.18 Michael Jordan 140.8 116.1 24.7
.17 Klay Thompson 20.4 16.8 3.5
.17 Horace Grant 39.9 33.0 6.9
.17 Elvin Hayes 25.9 21.4 4.4
.17 Tim Duncan 109.7 91.1 18.6
.17 Jerome Kersey 23.2 19.3 3.9
.17 Isiah Thomas 50.1 41.6 8.5
.17 Shaquille O'Neal 90.8 75.5 15.3
.17 Kobe Bryant 96.3 80.2 16.2
.17 Al Horford 51.5 42.9 8.6
.17 Larry Bird 92.6 77.2 15.4
.16 Dwyane Wade 75.1 62.8 12.3
.16 Anfernee Hardaway 32.2 26.9 5.3
.16 Chauncey Billups 52.0 43.6 8.5
.16 Jimmy Butler 56.3 47.5 8.8
This is a 'stat' that usually peaks in early-mid career and then drops off later. Draymond, Kawhi, LeBron, Klay, Butler are all seeing fewer playoff games and/or losing strength in these games.
Horford is an exception.
Re: Statistical Trivia
Posted: Thu Jul 25, 2024 9:22 pm
by Crow
15-25 years ago there were 30-35 players who weighed 260+ and almost 20 who weighed <180. Last season it was only 20
who weighed 260+ and almost 30 who weighed <180, while player counts increases by almost 40% due to changes in roster rules & practices.
Equalizing measures (previously generally cited in shoes to recent measurements without shoes) there appears to be apretty constant level of about 40-45 "7 footers" in the league.
In distant past, most 7 footers probably weighed 260+. Now most don't.
30 years ago, fewer than 30 NBA players were under 23 years old. That went to 55, 70, 80 and now almost 115.
The number 35 yrs old and older went from 70 to 45 to under 30. It may start to go back up.
Re: Statistical Trivia
Posted: Fri Jul 26, 2024 12:41 am
by Mike G
The number 35 yrs old and older went from 70 to 45 to under 30. It may start to go back up.
This is startling if true. When were there 70 players 35 and older?
In 1994 (30 yrs ago) there were 13.
In 1999, the oldest age-avg in the books, there were 39 -- 9% of all who appeared that year.
30 this last season, just over 5% of the total.
https://www.basketball-reference.com/le ... otals.html
Number and fraction of total for every 5th season:
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year AgeAv 23- 35+ 23- 24-34 35+
1954 26.4 26 1 .24 .75 .01
1959 26.4 20 0 .22 .78 .00
1964 26.4 28 1 .25 .74 .01
1969 26.9 45 3 .27 .71 .02
1974 26.9 55 5 .25 .73 .02
1979 26.3 87 2 .31 .68 .01
1984 26.4 75 8 .24 .73 .03
1989 26.9 73 5 .21 .78 .01
1994 27.2 78 13 .19 .77 .03
1999 27.9 98 39 .22 .69 .09
year AgeAv 23- 35+ 23- 24-34 35+
2004 27.0 115 30 .26 .67 .07
2009 26.6 127 14 .29 .68 .03
2014 26.5 132 26 .27 .67 .05
2019 26.3 181 14 .34 .63 .03
2024 26.4 187 30 .33 .62 .05
Oops. I did
23 and under, rather than
under 23.
EDIT: the avg age column was in reverse order; now fixed.
Re: Statistical Trivia
Posted: Fri Jul 26, 2024 2:19 am
by Crow
Almost 70 in '99-00 "34" and older
https://www.eskimo.com/~pbender/bball/m ... 1-3-99.txt
I checked 35 and older in current time period...at craftednba.com. Date of age determination might be different than BRef but I don't immediately know for sure what it is but it is almost certainly at or near start of season. BRef used Feb. 1. Database comparisons can get unexpectedly tricky. Patricia appears to have used sometime in early November.
I should have adjusted my stopping point to 34. Really Patricia said greater than 33. I added one then I guess another in bouncing around between the pages.
The number 34 yrs old and older went from 27 to 34 in current time period, so it was still "around 30" and doesn't really change the comparison.
Your table does show a recent increase in 35+.
You had an issue with under 23. But now we know about both issues. The youth count is much larger going to 23 or less.
The trends are similar.
But either use my comparison adjusted to 34 OR your table but realize the differences between the two.
In sorting this out, I stumbled on this page
https://craftednba.com/playoff-stats and noticed the DIF data in tiny print for "the difference between a players playoff stats and regular season stats for all listed stats (minutes adjusted)". To improve upon manual comparison.
Re: Statistical Trivia
Posted: Fri Jul 26, 2024 1:40 pm
by Crow
Demographics over basketball stats but...
Projects that could be done by someone good at manipulating big data:
Find # of teams in career by position and / or role and average length of stays. Estimate impact at each team stage and of each team change (voluntary and not) on future earnings compared to peer average. From a value perspective which is better the long retained or the journeyman? It may depend... hence the call for study.
Re: Statistical Trivia
Posted: Sat Jul 27, 2024 11:35 am
by Mike G
Crow wrote: ↑Fri Jul 26, 2024 2:19 am
I stumbled on this page
https://craftednba.com/playoff-stats and noticed the DIF data in tiny print for "the difference between a players playoff stats and regular season stats for all listed stats (minutes adjusted)". To improve upon manual comparison.
I wonder what is the meaning of the numbers under the DIFF column header. Is it some unnamed composite of the other stats?
It's not the same between Traditional and Advanced stats.
And there's no tiny print DIFF for BPM.
Re: Statistical Trivia
Posted: Sat Jul 27, 2024 4:54 pm
by Crow
I don't know on those points.
I asked.
If I get an answer, I'll let you know.