2017-18 team win projection contest
Re: 2017-18 team win projection contest
I didn't specify time zone but 5pm was meant to include up to 5 pm Pacific time. 5pm further west might be after tip off and that might be a factor here.
My feeling at moment is to not be too rigid. It is a casual contest with round numbers and decimals. Congratulate who you want to when it is over. Anybody within .05 of the leader is an elite finisher.
My feeling at moment is to not be too rigid. It is a casual contest with round numbers and decimals. Congratulate who you want to when it is over. Anybody within .05 of the leader is an elite finisher.
Re: 2017-18 team win projection contest
Sorry, I overlooked the 5 pm deadline and did adjust Hayward's minutes down by 75% in last nights submission.
Here is my corrected projection using no Hayward injury adjustment.
GSW 67.0
HOU 56.8
SAS 56.1
CLE 55.3
OKC 51.4
MIN 50.6
TOR 48.5
WAS 47.7
LAC 47.0
DEN 45.9
MIA 45.5
MIL 44.9
BOS 49.0
UTA 43.3
CHA 42.6
POR 40.2
NOP 38.5
DET 38.2
MEM 37.0
PHI 36.8
DAL 33.9
ORL 33.1
IND 32.4
NYK 30.1
LAL 28.6
BKN 28.1
PHX 25.8
ATL 25.7
SAC 25.0
CHI 25.0
Here is my corrected projection using no Hayward injury adjustment.
GSW 67.0
HOU 56.8
SAS 56.1
CLE 55.3
OKC 51.4
MIN 50.6
TOR 48.5
WAS 47.7
LAC 47.0
DEN 45.9
MIA 45.5
MIL 44.9
BOS 49.0
UTA 43.3
CHA 42.6
POR 40.2
NOP 38.5
DET 38.2
MEM 37.0
PHI 36.8
DAL 33.9
ORL 33.1
IND 32.4
NYK 30.1
LAL 28.6
BKN 28.1
PHX 25.8
ATL 25.7
SAC 25.0
CHI 25.0
Re: 2017-18 team win projection contest
Thanks for this reply. That resolves it in my mind. This entry included in contest.
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If possible, I wouldn't mind updating my projections with Kevin Pelton's new minutes distribution (which came in a few hours before game time so I wasn't able to do it yesterday) but I understand if it's too late.
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Alright by me. I trust you will limit the change to that. If you have a chance to note some of the bigger minute changes, that would possibly be interesting.
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Waiting on knarsu3 and which one that is the official projection of the alternatives
With one decimal

With one decimal

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Thanks for setting this up and for future tracking (by you and possibly others).
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caliban, that is pretty cool. You're ranking by closest to average, the avg difference being the "error"?
I re-ran my numbers a couple of times since page 1 and before the season.
knarsu, please pick one of your projections for the contest.
. . . .
In this century, the number of seasons that teams have strayed by 3 or more wins from their Pythagorean norms.
Gainers on the left, losers on the right.The Nets have been notably off the mark in 11 of 18 seasons; the Clipps just twice.
Do small-market teams tend to get the shaft?
I re-ran my numbers a couple of times since page 1 and before the season.
knarsu, please pick one of your projections for the contest.
. . . .
In this century, the number of seasons that teams have strayed by 3 or more wins from their Pythagorean norms.
Gainers on the left, losers on the right.
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+3 -3 +3 -3
Chi 6 1 Hou 1 6
LAL 6 1 Min 1 6
Dal 5 1 SAS 2 7
Atl 6 2 Ind 1 4
Brk 7 4 Orl 1 4
Den 3 1 Det 2 5
Por 4 2 Mil 2 5
Cha 5 3 Sac 2 5
Cle 2 1 Bos 2 4
NYK 2 1 GSW 2 4
NOP 4 3 Phx 2 3
OKC 4 3 Mia 3 3
Phl 6 5 Tor 4 4
LAC 1 1 Uta 4 4
Mem 6 6 Was 4 4
Do small-market teams tend to get the shaft?
Re: 2017-18 team win projection contest
Uh-oh, always worrying to be furthest from the average, but I suppose someone has to be 
Seems to be driven by the Utah/Toronto win totals, but I feel pretty good about those, so we'll see how it goes.

Seems to be driven by the Utah/Toronto win totals, but I feel pretty good about those, so we'll see how it goes.
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If caliban gets my updated numbers in (or anyone else's) you may see I have edged you out for "most unique" in RMSEThe first 3 of us to enter have the 3 lowest projections for the Celtics. I'm also low on the Bulls.
Biggest squared departures from average:
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. RMSE avErr
.avg 0.00 0.00
RyRi 0.94 0.74
sbs. 1.04 0.84
lnqi 1.42 1.21
cali 1.56 1.33
ATCt 1.83 1.40
shad 2.12 1.63
sndi 2.34 1.73
Crow 2.38 2.08
538_ 2.41 2.05
kmed 2.53 2.22
Josh 2.62 2.05
GK5. 2.67 2.12
gold 2.72 2.07
AJBk 2.79 2.07
ncs. 2.79 2.15
Nath 2.82 2.36
emin 3.46 2.83
Mike 3.46 2.72
Biggest squared departures from average:
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sq tm avg. pro
61 AJBk Atl 26.8 35
59 emin Tor 48.4 56
58 Nath LAC 47.6 40
50 emin Uta 42.9 50
46 Mike Hou 58.2 65
41 Mike Dal 32.6 39
41 Mike NOP 41.6 48
40 Josh Sac 26.7 33
39 Mike SAS 53.2 47
39 sndi SAS 53.2 47
37 GK5 Phl 35.6 30
36 ncs LAL 28.0 22
35 AJBk LAC 47.6 54
33 Josh Bos 47.7 42
33 ncs Bos 47.7 42
33 gold Sac 26.7 21
32 Josh Mil 45.6 40
31 ncs Cle 54.5 60
30 AJBk OKC 51.1 46
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Well, good to know I've got somebody out here on a limb with me at least 

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Edit1: Updated with Mike G's, shadows and knarsu3's edited #'s. If anyone spots an error in their line send me a PM. I won't be doing high frequent updates but I'll post one occasionally.
for fun, 85% avg, 15% netrtg from first round + BOS -3 & BRK -1

for fun, 85% avg, 15% netrtg from first round + BOS -3 & BRK -1

Last edited by caliban on Fri Oct 20, 2017 10:36 am, edited 1 time in total.
Re: 2017-18 team win projection contest
Sorry for the late reply but I'll go with the adjPM-PTPM as my official projections. It's the 2nd column in that table.
Would've liked to test out the SHACPM based ones but I think it's way too far off on DEN/DAL (who seem like they should be swapped, maybe there's a coding error that I didn't catch).
Would've liked to test out the SHACPM based ones but I think it's way too far off on DEN/DAL (who seem like they should be swapped, maybe there's a coding error that I didn't catch).
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If there is a data entry error or a flip, I'd say ok to fix but do it (and state it for the tracking table) by Monday?
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Whoops, appear to have entered on the wintotals site that the Kings will win 3 games this season, lol. Not sure if that can be adjusted or not.