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Mike G
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by Mike G » Sun Dec 31, 2023 12:07 pm
Work in progress to find players most similar statistically, based on the Advanced Stats at b-r.com.
Right now it's looking at player-seasons back to 2001-02.
The number produced is a "difference", so smaller is
more similar . A player is .00 diff from himself.
Here are a few rookies:
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diff yr Player Pos Age Tm aTS% 3Pr FTr ORb% DRb% Ast% Stl% Blk% TO% Usg%
.00 2024 Jaime Jaquez SF 22 Mia .603 .29 .22 5.0 10.6 13.7 1.7 1.0 12.4 19.6
.34 2023 Jalen Williams SG 21 OKC .600 .26 .24 3.9 12.2 15.4 2.1 1.4 12.3 18.4
.35 2006 Bobby Simmons SF 25 Mil .582 .31 .25 4.2 11.5 11.2 1.8 .7 12.1 18.3
.46 2014 Ch. Parsons SF 25 Hou .585 .36 .22 2.9 12.8 17.3 1.6 .8 11.7 19.3
.48 2021 Jae'Sean Tate SF 25 Hou .580 .31 .24 6.6 13.2 13.2 2.0 1.6 12.4 16.4
.48 2018 Jamal Murray PG 20 Den .588 .41 .24 3.6 9.4 16.4 1.5 .9 12.8 22.8
.49 2002 Rodney Rogers SF 30 tot .590 .31 .20 7.6 13.3 10.5 1.8 1.2 11.6 22.3
.49 2006 Kirk Snyder SG 22 NOK .559 .29 .26 4.9 9.9 13.9 1.2 1.4 12.2 20.5
.49 2003 Cuttino Mobley SG 27 Hou .568 .30 .26 2.7 8.6 12.2 1.7 .8 12.2 20.6
.50 2003 Wa. Szczerbiak SF 25 Min .600 .20 .24 3.4 11.3 12.2 1.3 .9 9.8 22.0
diff yr Player Pos Age Tm aTS% 3Pr FTr ORb% DRb% Ast% Stl% Blk% TO% Usg%
.00 2024 Chet Holmgren C 21 OKC .648 .35 .30 6.8 21.4 12.0 1.2 8.6 11.3 22.3
.61 2023 Myles Turner C 26 Ind .650 .34 .38 5.4 22.9 7.5 .9 6.6 10.8 22.0
.75 2021 Naz Reid C 21 Min .603 .30 .29 6.4 20.0 8.7 1.2 4.9 9.5 22.5
.76 2021 Chris Boucher C 28 Tor .639 .42 .35 8.5 22.5 6.9 1.2 7.6 6.7 20.5
.85 2024 Jo. Valančiūnas C 31 NOP .636 .19 .30 9.6 28.8 13.1 1.0 4.5 12.1 19.9
.85 2023 Jaren Jackson C 23 Mem .612 .34 .37 6.4 18.8 5.0 1.7 9.6 10.1 24.7
.86 2024 Kr. Porziņģis C 28 Bos .663 .42 .44 5.5 19.0 8.2 1.2 5.1 9.7 23.8
.90 2020 Thomas Bryant C 22 Was .658 .22 .28 9.0 23.1 11.1 1.0 3.7 10.2 18.9
.90 2020 John Collins PF 22 Atl .668 .24 .25 9.0 24.0 7.6 1.1 4.1 10.1 22.7
.92 2023 Brook Lopez C 34 Mil .629 .41 .21 7.2 15.3 6.1 .7 6.7 9.8 19.3
diff yr Player Pos Age Tm aTS% 3Pr FTr ORb% DRb% Ast% Stl% Blk% TO% Usg%
.00 2024 Brandon Miller SF 21 Cha .545 .41 .15 3.0 10.8 10.5 1.0 1.6 11.1 21.1
.40 2023 Shaedon Sharpe SG 19 Por .567 .44 .16 4.0 11.3 7.9 1.0 1.2 10.7 19.0
.43 2024 Klay Thompson SF 33 GSW .573 .61 .17 1.9 11.5 10.8 .9 1.4 10.6 23.1
.45 2017 Jamal Murray SG 19 Den .531 .47 .16 2.6 10.7 14.0 1.4 1.1 12.6 21.6
.46 2013 Klay Thompson SG 22 GSW .556 .44 .13 1.2 10.0 10.1 1.5 1.2 11.0 21.8
.48 2010 Andrés Nocioni SF 30 Sac .521 .42 .17 2.5 14.9 8.0 1.1 1.3 9.6 20.9
.48 2023 P.J. Washington PF 24 Cha .541 .44 .18 3.2 13.0 11.0 1.3 2.9 9.4 20.6
.49 2020 Miles Bridges SF 21 Cha .527 .40 .17 4.6 15.6 9.4 1.0 2.2 10.5 20.0
.50 2015 Wesley Johnson SF 27 LAL .531 .38 .16 3.2 12.9 8.6 1.3 1.6 10.5 16.4
.50 2014 Wilson Chandler SF 26 Den .545 .48 .21 3.2 13.3 9.3 1.2 1.2 8.9 19.5
diff yr Player Pos Age Tm aTS% 3Pr FTr ORb% DRb% Ast% Stl% Blk% TO% Usg%
.00 2024 V Wembanyama PF 20 SAS .529 .30 .28 7.9 30.2 15.8 2.0 9.3 15.5 29.6
.80 2013 Tim Duncan C 36 SAS .578 .01 .31 7.3 29.6 15.5 1.2 6.4 11.7 27.8
.88 2007 Josh Smith SF 21 Atl .524 .15 .39 7.4 21.0 16.3 2.0 6.1 16.3 24.1
.91 2018 Jusuf Nurkić C 23 Por .539 .01 .29 10.0 26.9 11.7 1.5 4.3 14.6 26.4
.94 2007 Jermaine O'Neal C 28 Ind .518 .01 .39 7.1 24.4 13.0 1.1 5.6 13.2 28.1
0.97 2006 Marcus Camby C 31 Den .520 .02 .24 8.4 33.3 10.2 2.2 7.5 11.4 19.5
1.06 2016 Pau Gasol C 35 Chi .548 .07 .29 7.3 28.7 21.7 .9 4.7 12.8 24.6
1.07 2010 Andrew Bogut C 25 Mil .558 .00 .26 10.1 26.4 10.3 .9 6.2 11.4 23.3
1.08 2014 Kyle O'Quinn C 23 Orl .545 .01 .22 9.5 25.2 10.9 1.7 5.8 16.1 18.6
1.09 2022 Anthony Davis C 28 LAL .585 .10 .35 8.1 22.0 14.7 1.7 5.7 9.3 27.1
https://www.basketball-reference.com/le ... anced.html
I've only included the most-similar season for each player listed, and only >1000 minutes (unless this season).
Yeah, Klay got in twice; but it's interesting how far apart in age yet most similar.
aTS% is adjusted for league TS% in that year -- relative to this year's .580
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by Crow » Sun Dec 31, 2023 7:45 pm
Nobody past much like Holmgren and Wembanyama. How similar to each other here?
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by Mike G » Mon Jan 01, 2024 12:08 am
Victor's line was already sitting in my similizer subject line, and Holmgren'24 is the 136th closest player-season. Of course there are multiple seasons of certain players above him.
Putting Holmgren as the subject, Wemby is all the way down at #544; diff = 1.35. This means Wemby is the more unique player; Chet is more like a lot of guys.
It's also from a sample of almost 10k player-seasons; so top 5.5% most-alike.
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by Mike G » Mon Jan 01, 2024 4:19 pm
A few more randos.
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diff yr Player Pos Age Tm aTS% FTr ORb% DRb% Ast% Stl% Blk% TO% Usg%
.00 2024 Tyrese Maxey PG 23 Phl .594 .29 1.7 9.7 26.4 1.0 1.3 6.3 26.7
.56 2023 Jalen Brunson PG 26 NYK .596 .33 1.8 9.3 28.7 1.3 .6 9.4 27.2
.58 2020 Kemba Walker PG 29 Bos .583 .27 2.2 11.0 24.2 1.3 1.5 10.5 27.2
.60 2023 Kyrie Irving PG-SG 30 tot .612 .23 3.0 12.3 25.4 1.4 1.7 8.8 28.9
.62 2019 Derrick Rose PG 30 Min .567 .21 2.5 8.3 26.4 1.1 .7 9.1 27.3
.68 2021 Brandon Ingram SF 23 NOP .588 .29 1.8 13.7 22.4 1.0 1.6 11.0 28.0
.70 2009 Vince Carter SG 32 NJN .563 .31 3.0 13.8 23.7 1.5 1.1 9.8 26.8
.71 2023 Sp. Dinwiddie SG-PG 29 tot .572 .31 1.2 10.2 28.1 1.2 .8 10.8 22.1
.72 2022 Devin Booker SG 25 Phx .583 .26 2.1 13.2 22.4 1.6 1.0 9.3 32.0
.72 2012 Lou Williams PG 25 Phl .551 .37 2.0 8.3 22.4 1.7 .8 7.2 27.4
diff yr Player Pos Age Tm aTS% FTr ORb% DRb% Ast% Stl% Blk% TO% Usg%
.00 2024 Nikola Jokić C 28 Den .629 .33 10.3 29.6 44.0 1.7 2.2 11.6 30.1
.82 2018 LeBron James PF 33 Cle .634 .34 3.7 22.3 44.4 1.9 2.0 16.1 31.6
.92 2024 Alperen Şengün C 21 Hou .595 .33 9.2 21.8 27.3 1.6 2.3 12.3 27.3
.92 2005 Kevin Garnett PF 28 Min .594 .40 9.5 30.2 27.1 2.1 2.6 12.2 27.1
.94 2024 Luka Dončić PG 24 Dal .618 .36 2.4 22.8 43.0 1.8 1.5 12.8 35.7
1.00 2024 Do. Sabonis C 27 Sac .636 .43 10.1 28.7 32.0 1.1 1.5 15.7 22.4
1.00 2020 Giannis A PF 25 Mil .621 .51 7.7 34.8 34.2 1.5 3.0 13.2 37.5
1.09 2020 Karl-A Towns C 24 Min .651 .36 8.1 26.1 22.8 1.3 2.9 13.2 28.8
1.10 2021 James Harden PG 31 tot .622 .44 2.5 20.6 44.4 1.6 1.8 16.8 28.4
1.14 2021 Bam Adebayo C 23 Mia .631 .44 7.7 22.6 26.9 1.7 3.2 15.0 23.7
diff yr Player Pos Age Tm aTS% FTr ORb% DRb% Ast% Stl Blk% TO% Usg%
.00 2024 Jalen Brunson PG 27 NYK .592 .30 2.3 10.4 27.6 1.5 .4 9.8 28.7
.32 2018 Kemba Walker PG 27 Cha .584 .31 1.2 8.7 27.4 1.6 .7 10.4 27.4
.34 2023 De'Aaron Fox PG 25 Sac .598 .33 1.9 12.4 29.6 1.6 .8 10.6 30.1
.38 2015 Damian Lillard PG 24 Por .584 .29 1.8 11.8 29.0 1.7 .5 12.6 26.9
.39 2023 Devin Booker SG 26 Phx .600 .34 2.7 12.0 27.3 1.4 .9 10.6 31.8
.41 2021 Do. Mitchell PG 24 Uta .573 .29 3.1 10.6 26.7 1.4 .7 10.7 33.5
.44 2007 Joe Johnson SG 25 Atl .578 .28 2.7 9.6 21.8 1.4 .4 12.1 28.3
.46 2024 Anfernee Simons SG 24 Por .594 .23 2.0 8.6 28.2 1.3 .2 9.4 30.9
.47 2004 Ray Allen SG 28 Sea .601 .27 3.8 11.8 23.3 1.8 .4 12.1 27.8
.48 2002 Sam Cassell PG 32 Mil .576 .27 2.5 10.9 34.3 1.8 .3 11.7 27.3
diff yr Player Pos Age Tm aTS% FTr ORb% DRb% Ast% Stl% Blk% TO% Usg%
.00 2024 Giannis A PF 29 Mil .648 .60 8.9 25.2 26.7 1.8 2.7 13.6 33.5
.60 2022 Joel Embiid C 27 Phl .624 .60 7.2 31.1 23.5 1.7 3.9 11.3 37.2
.67 2023 Zion Williamson PF 22 NOP .651 .53 6.9 17.0 24.4 1.6 1.6 14.6 30.4
.86 2014 Blake Griffin PF 24 LAC .604 .50 7.7 21.2 19.2 1.6 1.4 11.9 29.0
.87 2017 DeM. Cousins C 26 tot .576 .47 7.0 29.2 25.8 2.0 3.4 13.5 36.5
.91 2021 Bam Adebayo C 23 Mia .631 .44 7.7 22.6 26.9 1.7 3.2 15.0 23.7
.93 2012 LeBron James SF 27 Mia .635 .43 5.0 19.7 33.6 2.6 1.7 13.3 32.0
.95 2011 Dwyane Wade SG 29 Mia .602 .47 5.5 14.4 23.5 2.1 2.4 12.4 31.6
.95 2013 Kevin Durant SF 24 OKC .675 .52 1.8 20.3 21.7 1.9 2.6 13.7 29.8
.98 2007 Tim Duncan C 30 SAS .600 .50 9.8 27.0 18.8 1.3 5.1 14.0 27.9
diff yr Player Pos Age Tm aTS% FTr ORb% DRb% Ast% Stl% Blk% TO% Usg%
.00 2024 Pascal Siakam PF 29 Tor .580 .36 4.8 16.4 22.8 1.2 .5 11.0 25.4
.39 2008 Vince Carter SG 31 NJN .570 .33 4.4 13.4 25.2 1.6 .9 10.9 25.6
.49 2022 Malcolm Brogdon PG 29 Ind .564 .31 3.0 14.3 26.9 1.2 1.0 11.1 24.6
.50 2015 Rudy Gay SF 28 Sac .580 .35 4.8 13.7 19.0 1.5 1.3 12.4 27.0
.52 2008 Hedo Türkoğlu SF 28 Orl .597 .32 3.3 14.2 22.9 1.3 .6 15.0 24.8
.53 2017 Blake Griffin PF 27 LAC .583 .43 6.2 20.2 24.5 1.4 .9 10.9 28.0
.53 2010 Brandon Roy SG 25 Por .587 .42 3.7 10.9 23.1 1.4 .5 9.5 26.7
.56 2016 Carmelo Anthony SF 31 NYK .549 .31 4.3 19.5 21.9 1.3 1.1 10.6 29.7
.58 2017 Gordon Hayward SF 26 Uta .610 .37 2.3 15.4 18.2 1.5 .6 9.4 27.6
.59 2024 Keldon Johnson SF 24 SAS .568 .27 4.3 16.7 18.2 1.3 .6 10.1 22.2
.59 2024 Franz Wagner SF 22 Orl .560 .30 3.5 16.4 18.4 1.7 1.0 8.9 25.6
Some more 22 and unders, not rookies:
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diff yr Player Pos Age Tm aTS% FTr ORb% DRb% Ast% Stl% Blk% TO% Usg%
.00 2024 Paolo Banchero PF 21 Orl .545 .42 4.0 19.2 21.3 1.4 1.6 13.6 28.2
.46 2005 Ri. Jefferson SF 24 NJN .563 .48 4.3 17.2 19.0 1.3 1.0 16.2 28.2
.47 2004 Lamar Odom PF 24 Mia .548 .41 6.1 24.2 20.6 1.5 1.9 15.1 24.5
.50 2017 Paul Millsap PF 31 Atl .556 .42 5.3 19.5 17.9 1.9 2.3 12.1 24.4
.52 2009 Carmelo Anthony SF 24 Den .549 .39 5.6 17.0 18.1 1.7 .8 12.3 31.5
.53 2024 Cole Anthony PG 23 Orl .568 .37 4.9 15.1 21.9 1.5 1.6 12.3 24.3
.53 2004 Paul Pierce SG 26 Bos .549 .42 2.6 16.4 25.1 2.2 1.3 14.6 30.5
.55 2023 Pascal Siakam PF 28 Tor .564 .36 5.2 19.6 24.9 1.2 1.3 10.0 27.2
.60 2015 Rudy Gay SF 28 Sac .580 .35 4.8 13.7 19.0 1.5 1.3 12.4 27.0
.61 1997 Tom Gugliotta PF 27 Min .548 .42 7.1 19.3 19.3 2.2 2.1 15.6 27.5
diff yr Player Pos Age Tm aTS% FTr ORb% DRb% Ast% Stl% Blk% TO% Usg%
.00 2024 Shaedon Sharpe SG 20 Por .534 .28 4.0 13.7 14.1 1.3 .9 14.1 21.9
.39 2007 Hedo Türkoğlu SF 27 Orl .547 .27 3.2 12.5 17.9 1.6 .6 13.5 21.7
.40 2007 Devin Brown SG 28 NOK .557 .28 3.7 13.9 14.8 1.4 .4 12.7 19.6
.41 2023 Naji Marshall SF 25 NOP .538 .31 3.0 14.6 14.4 1.5 .7 13.0 17.8
.42 2013 Alec Burks SG 21 Uta .529 .33 3.8 11.2 13.0 1.6 .9 14.3 20.7
.44 1997 Michael Finley SF 23 tot .552 .23 3.6 11.9 14.3 1.3 .7 12.2 22.0
.45 2006 Mike Dunleavy SF 25 GSW .524 .31 3.3 14.2 15.0 1.2 .9 11.5 18.1
.46 2021 RJ Barrett SG 20 NYK .539 .26 3.0 14.8 13.8 1.1 .8 10.5 23.4
.47 2004 Dion Glover SG 25 tot .500 .27 4.0 14.2 14.0 1.6 .9 13.4 21.2
.47 2005 Luol Deng SF 19 Chi .520 .25 6.2 15.4 14.8 1.5 1.2 14.1 22.4
diff yr Player Pos Age Tm aTS% FTr ORb% DRb% Ast% Stl% Blk% TO% Usg%
.00 2024 Alperen Şengün C 21 Hou .595 .33 9.2 21.8 27.3 1.6 2.3 12.3 27.3
.46 2003 Kevin Garnett PF 26 Min .585 .34 8.6 28.5 25.8 1.8 2.8 11.9 26.4
.53 2022 Pascal Siakam PF 27 Tor .572 .31 5.1 20.1 23.0 1.6 1.6 11.6 25.8
.58 2018 Nikola Jokić C 22 Den .616 .31 9.0 27.9 29.6 1.8 2.1 15.5 24.2
.60 2002 Chris Webber PF 28 Sac .571 .31 7.9 20.1 21.9 2.2 2.4 11.4 29.0
.63 2021 Karl-A Towns C 25 Min .616 .36 8.2 26.4 22.6 1.1 2.9 13.7 29.1
.65 2024 Scottie Barnes SG 22 Tor .587 .25 8.2 21.5 25.4 2.1 3.6 12.5 24.7
.65 2013 Blake Griffin PF 23 LAC .596 .40 8.7 21.5 19.9 2.0 1.6 12.8 25.4
.66 1993 Charles Barkley PF 29 Phx .621 .42 9.5 26.3 21.2 2.0 1.6 12.5 26.9
.67 1992 Scottie Pippen SF 26 Chi .581 .32 6.9 15.8 25.8 2.5 1.8 14.0 24.6
diff yr Player Pos Age Tm aTS% FTr ORb% DRb% Ast% Stl% Blk% TO% Usg%
.00 2024 Jeremy Sochan PG 20 SAS .514 .21 5.7 15.3 19.1 1.0 .8 16.9 18.3
.47 2009 Luke Walton SF 28 LAL .507 .19 5.4 12.0 21.1 1.4 .7 17.2 15.1
.48 1992 Rodney McCray SF 30 Dal .514 .25 7.3 16.6 15.7 1.2 .9 14.3 16.4
.52 2008 Boris Diaw PF 25 Phx .535 .20 5.2 12.7 19.0 1.3 1.1 18.1 16.6
.54 1994 Ken Norman SF 29 Mil .514 .20 7.2 15.9 14.3 1.2 1.2 13.0 19.6
.59 1993 Brian Shaw PG 26 Mia .484 .16 4.9 13.7 22.3 1.5 .8 15.2 17.1
.60 2017 Evan Turner SF 28 Por .503 .19 2.4 14.2 18.4 1.6 1.2 14.3 18.5
.60 2018 Lance Stephenson SG 27 Ind .506 .18 3.8 22.0 18.6 1.2 .8 14.6 21.6
.61 1993 George McCloud SF 25 Ind .516 .19 4.4 10.5 18.0 1.8 .5 15.8 19.1
.61 2019 Justise Winslow SF 22 Mia .522 .18 3.4 15.9 21.9 1.8 .9 14.9 20.8
diff yr Player Pos Age Tm aTS% FTr ORb% DRb% Ast% Stl% Blk% TO% Usg%
.00 2024 Jalen Green SG 21 Hou .531 .32 1.3 14.4 15.8 .9 1.1 12.2 26.6
.44 2022 RJ Barrett SF 21 NYK .517 .34 2.9 15.5 14.9 .9 .7 9.9 27.6
.54 2024 Mikal Bridges SF 27 Brk .570 .31 3.1 13.3 16.3 1.3 1.1 11.4 25.9
.56 2024 Zach LaVine SG 28 Chi .566 .28 1.0 15.0 15.2 1.3 .7 9.7 25.5
.57 2017 Sean Kilpatrick SG 27 Brk .560 .33 1.3 15.4 14.6 1.2 .3 13.8 23.8
.58 2023 Keldon Johnson SF 23 SAS .550 .29 2.9 14.4 13.7 1.1 .4 9.6 27.9
.60 2017 Carmelo Anthony SF 32 NYK .548 .26 2.6 16.0 14.5 1.2 1.1 9.0 29.1
.62 2012 Andrea Bargnani C 26 Tor .565 .36 2.8 16.6 11.6 .9 1.2 11.0 28.7
.62 2016 Devin Booker SG 19 Phx .554 .30 1.4 8.4 15.8 1.0 .8 14.0 23.0
.62 2010 Vince Carter SG 33 Orl .560 .30 1.7 12.6 17.8 1.2 .6 8.4 25.2
diff yr Player Pos Age Tm aTS% FTr ORb% DRb% Ast% Stl% Blk% TO% Usg%
.00 2024 Jabari Smith PF 20 Hou .603 .22 7.2 23.1 7.5 .9 2.5 9.4 17.8
.34 2005 Raef LaFrentz PF 28 Bos .615 .22 8.4 20.8 7.3 1.0 3.4 8.5 16.9
.47 2022 John Collins PF 24 Atl .618 .26 6.2 21.5 8.9 1.0 3.0 7.7 20.5
.48 2016 Marvin Williams PF 29 Cha .606 .19 5.9 18.6 7.6 1.2 2.7 7.1 16.8
.49 2017 Ma. Speights C 29 LAC .599 .25 7.9 24.1 8.0 .9 2.6 10.2 23.6
.50 2018 Trey Lyles PF 22 Den .604 .26 4.5 23.5 10.1 1.1 2.0 9.1 21.1
.51 2019 Nikola Mirotić PF 27 tot .595 .23 5.1 22.6 6.2 1.2 2.2 7.4 21.4
.52 2023 Santi Aldama PF 22 Mem .590 .27 5.4 18.0 7.6 1.3 2.6 9.3 16.0
.52 2018 Mike Muscala C 26 Atl .610 .20 5.9 18.3 7.3 1.4 2.2 11.0 15.7
.53 2021 Daniel Theis C 28 tot .613 .24 6.5 18.3 9.5 1.2 3.3 11.4 15.6
diff yr Player Pos Age Tm aTS% FTr ORb% DRb% Ast% Stl% Blk% TO% Usg%
.00 2024 Be. Mathurin SF 21 Ind .554 .29 5.1 12.4 10.1 1.1 .6 11.2 22.6
.35 2011 Luol Deng SF 25 Chi .569 .29 4.4 12.8 11.9 1.3 1.1 10.7 20.9
.38 2008 Boštjan Nachbar PF 27 NJN .551 .32 3.9 14.3 9.3 1.4 1.0 10.9 21.5
.39 2004 Tim Thomas SF 26 tot .567 .27 3.5 13.9 10.4 1.6 .7 11.3 22.4
.39 2016 Marcus Morris SF 26 Det .550 .29 3.3 12.4 11.0 1.2 .6 11.6 18.4
.40 2009 Jeff Green PF 22 OKC .554 .29 4.7 16.3 9.1 1.4 .8 12.6 21.2
.43 2020 Eric Paschall PF 23 GSW .579 .33 5.2 13.1 12.7 .9 .7 11.4 21.4
.44 2002 Chris Mills SF 32 GSW .546 .25 4.3 12.4 9.5 1.3 .7 10.6 18.0
.44 2005 Keith Van Horn SF-PF 29 tot .576 .28 6.8 15.6 8.5 1.3 1.0 11.3 21.5
.44 2005 Hedo Türkoğlu SF 25 Orl .557 .29 4.0 10.7 14.9 1.2 .7 11.9 24.8
Comps expanded back to 1992 season.
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by Mike G » Tue Jan 02, 2024 4:50 pm
Most similar this season only. Minimum 400 minutes.
Atlanta Hawks:
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diff 2023-24 Pos Age Tm aTS% FTr ORb% DRb% Ast% Stl% Blk% TO% Usg%
.00 Trae Young PG 25 Atl .589 .39 1.5 7.8 45.7 1.8 .4 15.2 31.4
.93 Devin Booker PG 27 Phx .600 .40 2.9 13.4 38.5 .9 1.1 11.3 30.8
1.05 De'Aaron Fox PG 26 Sac .604 .35 3.0 11.6 30.0 2.3 .9 9.5 33.3
1.06 Darius Garland PG 24 Cle .573 .28 2.0 7.0 26.8 2.3 .5 17.4 27.7
1.06 Ca. Cunningham PG 22 Det .545 .24 1.6 11.8 33.3 1.5 .8 15.8 30.3
diff 2023-24 Pos Age Tm aTS% FTr ORb% DRb% Ast% Stl% Blk% TO% Usg%
.00 Dejounte Murray SG 27 Atl .553 .17 2.4 12.3 22.2 2.1 .9 10.6 24.2
.56 Paul George PF 33 LAC .585 .21 2.3 15.2 17.9 2.2 .9 10.3 27.2
.63 Jaylen Brown SF 27 Bos .570 .21 3.1 12.5 17.2 1.6 1.6 11.3 28.7
.65 Reggie Jackson PG 33 Den .556 .13 1.6 8.1 25.8 1.3 .7 12.4 22.6
.66 Caris LeVert SG 29 Cle .512 .24 1.8 11.2 19.5 1.7 1.2 9.1 24.3
diff 2023-24 Pos Age Tm aTS% FTr ORb% DRb% Ast% Stl% Blk% TO% Usg%
.00 Saddiq Bey SF 24 Atl .573 .21 7.6 14.4 5.5 1.7 .3 9.0 15.8
.69 Rui Hachimura PF 25 LAL .579 .21 3.6 13.0 6.7 1.4 .8 7.3 20.1
.72 Kelly Oubre SF 28 Phl .585 .23 4.3 12.9 4.0 2.1 1.2 7.0 19.4
.72 Moses Moody SG 21 GSW .589 .28 7.1 12.0 7.0 1.8 1.6 9.6 17.9
.79 Torrey Craig SF 33 Chi .553 .17 9.3 16.3 6.7 1.5 1.8 9.7 12.6
diff 2023-24 Pos Age Tm aTS% FTr ORb% DRb% Ast% Stl% Blk% TO% Usg%
.00 Bog. Bogdanović SG 31 Atl .591 .12 1.9 11.3 14.0 2.1 .8 6.5 23.0
.57 Devin Vassell SG 23 SAS .578 .20 1.5 10.8 16.0 1.9 .6 7.5 23.6
.71 Cameron Johnson PF 27 Brk .609 .15 4.7 13.3 12.5 1.3 .4 7.8 19.6
.80 Kevin Huerter SG 25 Sac .547 .09 2.6 15.0 15.0 1.3 1.1 6.4 17.7
.81 Do. DiVincenzo SG 27 NYK .619 .13 3.6 11.5 12.4 2.5 1.3 11.1 17.9
diff 2023-24 Pos Age Tm aTS% FTr ORb% DRb% Ast% Stl% Blk% TO% Usg%
.00 Clint Capela C 29 Atl .623 .32 19.7 24.5 6.2 1.2 5.5 8.5 16.5
.75 Mark Williams C 22 Cha .675 .42 16.1 24.9 6.4 1.5 3.5 8.7 16.6
.77 Ivica Zubac C 26 LAC .650 .34 13.9 25.5 6.3 .4 4.7 11.1 17.2
.77 Nic Claxton C 24 Brk .640 .31 11.5 25.7 8.7 .7 8.3 9.1 15.4
1.08 Onyeka Okongwu C 23 Atl .654 .33 10.4 19.7 7.8 1.0 3.2 9.6 13.5
diff 2023-24 Pos Age Tm aTS% FTr ORb% DRb% Ast% Stl% Blk% TO% Usg%
.00 Onyeka Okongwu C 23 Atl .654 .33 10.4 19.7 7.8 1.0 3.2 9.6 13.5
.90 Jabari Smith PF 20 Hou .603 .22 7.2 23.1 7.5 .9 2.5 9.4 17.8
.94 Moritz Wagner C 26 Orl .666 .34 9.2 17.3 10.3 1.1 1.7 13.4 22.1
.95 Jo. Valančiūnas C 31 NOP .636 .30 9.6 28.8 13.1 1.0 4.5 12.1 19.9
.99 Mark Williams C 22 Cha .675 .42 16.1 24.9 6.4 1.5 3.5 8.7 16.6
diff 2023-24 Pos Age Tm aTS% FTr ORb% DRb% Ast% Stl% Blk% TO% Usg%
.00 De'Andre Hunter SF 26 Atl .601 .28 2.2 12.9 6.1 1.3 1.1 11.0 18.9
.63 Norman Powell SG 30 LAC .638 .27 .7 9.2 5.6 1.1 1.5 8.4 19.0
.65 Moses Moody SG 21 GSW .589 .28 7.1 12.0 7.0 1.8 1.6 9.6 17.9
.65 Rui Hachimura PF 25 LAL .579 .21 3.6 13.0 6.7 1.4 .8 7.3 20.1
.70 Tobias Harris PF 31 Phl .608 .25 3.1 16.4 12.6 1.5 1.2 10.7 19.7
diff 2023-24 Pos Age Tm aTS% FTr ORb% DRb% Ast% Stl% Blk% TO% Usg%
.00 Jalen Johnson SF 22 Atl .661 .24 5.2 23.7 11.8 1.7 2.7 16.7 17.2
.88 Bilal Coulibaly SF 19 Was .625 .27 3.0 13.8 8.5 1.6 2.0 17.6 13.6
.90 Alex Caruso SG 29 Chi .671 .22 5.2 11.7 14.2 2.5 3.2 15.8 15.8
.92 Jo. Valančiūnas C 31 NOP .636 .30 9.6 28.8 13.1 1.0 4.5 12.1 19.9
.92 Evan Mobley PF 22 Cle .607 .26 8.9 25.8 13.0 1.2 4.5 14.8 19.9
Trae is their most unique player; DeJ is least unique
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by Mike G » Fri Jan 05, 2024 12:01 am
tough crowd
Current players most similar to former stars, back to 1992; highest BPM season for each retired player.
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diff 2023-24 Pos Age Tm aTS% FTr ORb% DRb% Ast% Stl% Blk% TO% Usg%
1994 David Robinson C 28 SAS .605 .56 8.8 20.3 21.6 2.3 5.4 10.9 32.0
.87 Giannis A PF 29 Mil .648 .60 8.9 25.2 26.7 1.8 2.7 13.6 33.5
.92 Bam Adebayo C 26 Mia .577 .44 6.8 27.0 19.7 1.6 2.7 12.0 27.8
.98 Anthony Davis C 30 LAL .613 .40 10.8 26.3 14.3 1.5 6.3 8.8 27.1
.99 Joel Embiid C 29 Phl .651 .53 9.2 28.5 31.7 1.6 5.0 12.5 37.9
diff 2023-24 Pos Age Tm aTS% FTr ORb% DRb% Ast% Stl% Blk% TO% Usg%
1993 Michael Jordan SG 29 Chi .587 .28 4.9 15.1 25.2 3.7 1.3 8.4 34.7
.69 Do. Mitchell SG 27 Cle .584 .28 3.3 13.7 25.9 2.5 1.2 9.8 31.4
.86 De'Aaron Fox PG 26 Sac .604 .35 3.0 11.6 30.0 2.3 .9 9.5 33.3
.87 Shai G-A PG 25 OKC .644 .40 2.9 14.9 31.0 3.8 2.3 7.6 32.9
.96 Anthony Edwards SG 22 Min .577 .33 2.2 15.0 25.7 2.0 1.3 12.8 32.4
diff 2023-24 Pos Age Tm aTS% FTr ORb% DRb% Ast% Stl% Blk% TO% Usg%
2009 Dwyane Wade SG 27 Mia .593 .44 3.5 12.2 40.3 3.0 2.8 11.6 36.2
.88 Shai G-A PG 25 OKC .644 .40 2.9 14.9 31.0 3.8 2.3 7.6 32.9
.97 De'Aaron Fox PG 26 Sac .604 .35 3.0 11.6 30.0 2.3 .9 9.5 33.3
1.05 Luka Dončić PG 24 Dal .618 .36 2.4 22.8 43.0 1.8 1.5 12.8 35.7
1.09 LeBron James PF 39 LAL .635 .33 3.2 20.5 35.9 2.0 1.8 14.3 29.3
diff 2023-24 Pos Age Tm aTS% FTr ORb% DRb% Ast% Stl% Blk% TO% Usg%
2003 Tracy McGrady SG 23 Orl .597 .40 4.6 14.6 30.0 2.2 1.5 8.4 35.2
.49 De'Aaron Fox PG 26 Sac .604 .35 3.0 11.6 30.0 2.3 .9 9.5 33.3
.71 Do. Mitchell SG 27 Cle .584 .28 3.3 13.7 25.9 2.5 1.2 9.8 31.4
.73 Anthony Edwards SG 22 Min .577 .33 2.2 15.0 25.7 2.0 1.3 12.8 32.4
.80 Shai G-A PG 25 OKC .644 .40 2.9 14.9 31.0 3.8 2.3 7.6 32.9
diff 2023-24 Pos Age Tm aTS% FTr ORb% DRb% Ast% Stl% Blk% TO% Usg%
2004 Kevin Garnett PF 27 Min .581 .29 9.1 30.0 24.4 2.0 4.0 10.5 29.6
.75 Alperen Şengün C 21 Hou .595 .33 9.2 21.8 27.3 1.6 2.3 12.3 27.3
.82 Bam Adebayo C 26 Mia .577 .44 6.8 27.0 19.7 1.6 2.7 12.0 27.8
.87 Scottie Barnes SG 22 Tor .587 .25 8.2 21.5 25.4 2.1 3.6 12.5 24.7
1.01 Anthony Davis C 30 LAL .613 .40 10.8 26.3 14.3 1.5 6.3 8.8 27.1
diff 2023-24 Pos Age Tm aTS% FTr ORb% DRb% Ast% Stl% Blk% TO% Usg%
2000 Shaq. O'Neal C 27 LAL .610 .50 11.5 24.8 19.3 .6 5.3 9.9 31.2
.85 Anthony Davis C 30 LAL .613 .40 10.8 26.3 14.3 1.5 6.3 8.8 27.1
.99 Bam Adebayo C 26 Mia .577 .44 6.8 27.0 19.7 1.6 2.7 12.0 27.8
1.21 Giannis A PF 29 Mil .648 .60 8.9 25.2 26.7 1.8 2.7 13.6 33.5
1.21 Joel Embiid C 29 Phl .651 .53 9.2 28.5 31.7 1.6 5.0 12.5 37.9
diff 2023-24 Pos Age Tm aTS% FTr ORb% DRb% Ast% Stl% Blk% TO% Usg%
2005 An. Kirilenko PF 23 Uta .628 .62 8.0 15.7 17.4 2.7 8.5 14.4 21.3
1.20 Goga Bitadze C 24 Orl .637 .45 12.4 21.0 11.6 1.6 7.7 13.1 13.6
1.40 Anthony Davis C 30 LAL .613 .40 10.8 26.3 14.3 1.5 6.3 8.8 27.1
1.44 Kr. Porziņģis C 28 Bos .663 .44 5.5 19.0 8.2 1.2 5.1 9.7 23.8
1.51 Chet Holmgren C 21 OKC .648 .30 6.8 21.4 12.0 1.2 8.6 11.3 22.3
diff 2023-24 Pos Age Tm aTS% FTr ORb% DRb% Ast% Stl% Blk% TO% Usg%
1995 John Stockton PG 32 Uta .673 .39 2.6 8.0 52.6 3.5 .6 22.4 18.9
1.48 James Harden SG 34 LAC .651 .47 1.2 14.1 31.7 2.0 2.4 16.0 20.4
1.49 Trae Young PG 25 Atl .589 .39 1.5 7.8 45.7 1.8 .4 15.2 31.4
1.63 Kelly Olynyk C 32 Uta .666 .30 7.3 19.9 28.5 1.9 1.2 22.8 14.5
1.63 Ty. Haliburton PG 23 Ind .640 .24 2.1 11.3 49.9 1.3 1.3 12.1 26.6
This last one suggests to me that TO% is not always a meaningful number.
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by Crow » Fri Jan 05, 2024 12:49 am
Modest reader levels, few who will engage. The way it is.
Few close similarity scores in absolute terms.
SGA nowhere close to Jordan, except for all but a few others.
Similarity scored compared to last few decades of players is fine, interesting to those with historical perspective. Similarity to current or last 5 years of comps is another smaller survey, perhaps more appealing to some.
I assume assigned primary position was not a selection criteria. I tend to want comps no more than 1 position different but I can pay attention to the ones that do that and don't have to dwell on the others.
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by Mike G » Fri Jan 05, 2024 1:55 pm
"position" is arbitrary, depending on what the coach says. If a guard rebounds and blocks shots like a center, they may be doing a similar job.
At one time b-r.com did a similarity with stats and included Height and Age. Nobody else was considered.
It's interesting to me when players of same or different size and age and position are doing a similar job. If a younger player is more like older counterparts, he probably has unusually good shooting, PF and TO rates.
Attention span of one year or 5 or 50 can be accommodated. One sheet is just this season -- but it's continually needing updated.
I like when the diff number is such that a diff of 1 or 2 would be a positional difference of 1 or 2. There are more unique players that don't quite fit a single pos. Doncic, Kirilenko, LeBron ... but diff <.60 or so would be essentially interchangeable in a lineup, perhaps.
TO% as TO/possessions "used" should be adjusted to account for Assists -- which also finished a possession, and successfully. That's my next intervention.
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by Mike G » Fri Jan 05, 2024 7:59 pm
OK, replacing TOV% with TO/100 possessions. This year's similars to prime Stockton:
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diff 2023-24 Pos Age Tm aTS% FTr ORb% DRb% Ast% Stl% Blk% aTO Usg%
1995 John Stockton PG 32 Uta .673 .39 2.6 8.0 52.6 3.5 .6 4.8 18.9
1.36 James Harden SG 34 LAC .651 .47 1.2 14.1 31.7 2.0 2.4 3.7 20.4
1.37 T. Haliburton PG 23 Ind .640 .24 2.1 11.3 49.9 1.3 1.3 3.6 26.6
1.38 Trae Young PG 25 Atl .589 .39 1.5 7.8 45.7 1.8 .4 5.4 31.4
1.55 LeBron James PF 39 LAL .635 .33 3.2 20.5 35.9 2.0 1.8 4.7 29.3
1.59 Shai G-A PG 25 OKC .644 .40 2.9 14.9 31.0 3.8 2.3 2.8 32.9
1.62 De'Aaron Fox PG 26 Sac .604 .35 3.0 11.6 30.0 2.3 .9 3.6 33.3
1.63 Kelly Olynyk C 32 Uta .666 .30 7.3 19.9 28.5 1.9 1.2 3.7 14.5
1.69 Damian Lillard PG 33 Mil .623 .48 1.9 11.4 27.2 1.3 .5 3.8 28.3
1.70 Darius Garland PG 24 Cle .573 .28 2.0 7.0 26.8 2.3 .5 5.5 27.7
The diffs are now smaller, which is good; it means the correlators are more on target.
Earlier version:
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diff 2023-24 Pos Age Tm aTS% FTr ORb% DRb% Ast% Stl% Blk% TO% Usg%
1995 John Stockton PG 32 Uta .673 .39 2.6 8.0 52.6 3.5 .6 22.4 18.9
1.48 James Harden SG 34 LAC .651 .47 1.2 14.1 31.7 2.0 2.4 16.0 20.4
1.49 Trae Young PG 25 Atl .589 .39 1.5 7.8 45.7 1.8 .4 15.2 31.4
1.63 Kelly Olynyk C 32 Uta .666 .30 7.3 19.9 28.5 1.9 1.2 22.8 14.5
1.63 Ty. Haliburton PG 23 Ind .640 .24 2.1 11.3 49.9 1.3 1.3 12.1 26.6
Olynyk still appears but lower. The others all have lower TS% and higher Usg% than Stock.
Everyone differs majorly in at least 2 columns.
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by Crow » Wed Jan 10, 2024 12:35 am