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2011 Playoff summaries
Posted: Tue Apr 26, 2011 2:14 pm
by Mike G
Here are the playoff leaders in eWins (equivalent wins added).
All teams have played 4 games, except Dallas and Portland, which have gone 5. So I've multiplied their eWins by 4/5 to get their 'eWins per 4 games'.
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eWins per36 rates tm mpg Eff% Sco Reb Ast PF Stl TO Blk e480
1.02 James,Lebron Mia 43 .580 27.4 9.6 5.8 1.5 .6 .9 .9 2.88
1.00 Howard,Dwight Orl 45 .672 31.8 14.9 .2 3.7 .4 5.1 1.4 2.65
.99 Paul,Chris NO 42 .671 28.3 6.9 10.1 1.8 1.8 2.9 .0 2.87
.81 Wade,Dwyane Mia 37 .535 26.0 8.0 5.9 2.2 1.5 3.0 2.2 2.62
.81 Kevin Durant Okl 42 .608 29.6 5.4 3.7 3.3 .9 1.5 .7 2.32
.81 Dirk Nowitzki Dal 39 .528 29.6 8.2 2.8 1.9 .6 3.0 .4 2.50
.74 Russell Westbrook Okl 36 .522 28.5 6.8 7.8 3.5 .8 4.3 .5 2.45
.73 Crawford,Jamal Atl 31 .589 33.2 2.5 5.1 2.9 .6 1.4 .9 2.81
.69 Rondo,Rajon Bos 42 .507 18.3 6.5 11.3 .9 .9 3.3 .0 1.98
.68 Rose,Derrick Chi 41 .493 26.9 4.7 5.5 1.7 2.4 3.7 .9 1.99
.67 Anthony,Carmelo NY 39 .495 24.4 10.0 4.1 3.7 1.2 3.0 .7 2.06
.60 Jason Kidd Dal 34 .649 17.7 7.0 7.5 2.2 1.3 1.9 .6 2.09
.58 Marc Gasol Mem 40 .602 17.4 10.6 3.1 3.5 .5 1.2 1.4 1.75
.57 Allen,Ray Bos 40 .752 25.7 4.2 2.1 1.6 1.4 1.1 .2 1.72
.57 Zach Randolph Mem 35 .522 21.5 9.0 4.1 4.2 1.8 2.4 .5 1.96
eWins per36 rates tm mpg Eff% Sco Reb Ast PF Stl TO Blk e480
.57 Bryant,Kobe LA 37 .511 25.5 5.6 5.0 3.0 1.2 3.2 .5 1.86
.55 Garnett,Kevin Bos 34 .504 18.5 12.6 4.2 1.9 2.2 3.2 .8 1.96
.52 Granger,Danny Ind 37 .547 24.0 5.3 3.2 2.2 1.5 1.0 .2 1.70
.51 Bosh,Chris Mia 40 .535 20.1 8.1 1.2 1.8 .9 1.6 1.4 1.54
.49 Pierce,Paul Bos 39 .571 24.1 4.2 2.5 3.3 1.9 2.4 .5 1.53
.47 Andre Miller Por 34 .596 22.1 3.8 5.8 3.1 .4 2.4 .0 1.67
.46 Johnson,Joe Atl 41 .500 19.8 6.1 4.2 1.5 .7 2.8 .0 1.34
.46 Lamarcus Aldridge Por 43 .505 16.7 6.4 1.2 2.9 1.3 1.3 1.7 1.27
.44 Nene Hilario Den 33 .529 17.7 10.0 2.3 3.7 1.1 1.4 1.1 1.60
.43 Serge Ibaka Okl 31 .532 13.7 15.0 .0 3.9 .0 1.2 4.5 1.66
.43 Bynum,Andrew LA 32 .573 17.6 13.7 .3 5.2 .6 1.7 2.0 1.60
.43 Smith,Josh Atl 37 .500 15.8 9.2 3.6 3.7 1.0 2.5 1.0 1.40
.41 Noah,Joakim Chi 32 .474 14.0 13.6 1.9 5.0 1.2 1.7 2.6 1.55
.41 Tim Duncan SA 34 .531 14.7 11.7 2.9 3.7 .3 2.7 2.9 1.45
.40 Nelson,Jameer Orl 38 .434 14.3 5.7 5.3 2.4 1.4 1.2 .0 1.27
eWins per36 rates tm mpg Eff% Sco Reb Ast PF Stl TO Blk e480
.40 Horford,Al Atl 39 .449 13.1 8.8 2.9 2.3 .7 1.2 .9 1.22
.39 Mike Conley Mem 41 .460 13.1 4.5 8.7 2.7 .7 2.5 .0 1.14
.38 Ty Lawson Den 34 .613 19.0 3.7 4.2 2.2 1.4 1.4 .3 1.35
.37 Gasol,Pau LA 36 .476 12.8 7.6 4.6 3.1 .5 1.5 2.3 1.25
.35 Holiday,Jrue Phl 38 .565 16.8 3.3 4.4 2.2 2.0 2.0 .2 1.14
.35 Ariza,Trevor NO 41 .444 12.0 7.9 3.1 2.2 1.1 .7 .7 1.02
.35 Tony Parker SA 35 .507 21.0 3.7 5.1 1.3 1.9 4.5 .3 1.21
.35 Manu Ginobili SA 25 .514 22.4 4.7 5.0 2.2 2.2 3.7 1.1 1.68
.34 Jason Terry Dal 33 .562 20.5 2.0 3.4 2.1 1.3 1.7 .0 1.24
.34 Artest,Ron LA 34 .622 17.6 7.5 1.6 3.0 1.1 1.1 .6 1.21
eWins per 480 minutes (last column) of 1.00 is average.
Re: 2011 Playoff summaries
Posted: Thu Apr 28, 2011 8:55 pm
by Mike G
I redid the spreadsheets to incorporate home blocked-shots bias. Now everyone has played 5 games, except Bos and NY, who were done at 4. Ranked by eWins per actual game played.
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eW/G per36 rates tm Min Eff% Sco Reb Ast Stl TO Blk e480
.247 Howard,Dwight Orl 42 .652 32.5 15.0 .2 .5 4.7 1.4 2.82
.238 James,Lebron Mia 42 .571 24.9 9.5 6.3 .7 1.2 .7 2.70
.228 Paul,Chris NO 41 .663 27.3 6.3 10.2 1.6 3.0 .0 2.64
.212 Wade,Dwyane Mia 38 .516 25.3 8.5 6.2 1.4 2.7 1.9 2.68
.203 Durant,Kevin Okl 42 .611 30.9 4.9 3.3 .9 1.2 .9 2.32
.199 Dirk Nowitzki Dal 39 .528 29.6 8.2 2.8 .6 3.0 .4 2.47
.199 Rose,Derrick Chi 39 .511 29.1 4.6 6.0 2.4 3.6 1.1 2.44
.172 Rondo,Rajon Bos 42 .507 18.3 6.5 11.3 .9 3.3 .0 1.98
.168 Anthony,Carmelo NY 39 .495 24.4 10.0 4.1 1.2 3.0 .7 2.06
.154 Ginobili,Manu SA 35 .576 26.4 5.0 5.1 2.6 4.2 .8 2.12
eW/G per36 rates tm Min Eff% Sco Reb Ast Stl TO Blk e480
.154 Randolph,Zach Mem 37 .547 21.5 9.1 4.2 1.4 2.2 .6 2.02
.154 Westbrook,Russel Okl 36 .494 25.4 6.2 7.4 .8 4.1 .4 2.04
.148 Jason Kidd Dal 34 .649 17.7 7.0 7.5 1.3 1.9 .6 2.07
.143 Allen,Ray Bos 40 .752 25.7 4.2 2.1 1.4 1.1 .2 1.72
.139 Garnett,Kevin Bos 34 .504 18.5 12.6 4.2 2.2 3.2 .8 1.96
.137 Bryant,Kobe LA 35 .529 26.2 5.5 5.3 1.3 3.3 .4 1.87
.129 Bosh,Chris Mia 40 .532 20.2 8.6 .9 .9 1.6 1.1 1.54
.126 Crawford,Jamal Atl 30 .571 28.5 2.1 3.7 .5 1.6 .7 2.02
.125 Granger,Danny Ind 37 .551 22.5 5.5 3.1 1.2 1.4 .2 1.62
.123 Pierce,Paul Bos 39 .571 24.1 4.2 2.5 1.9 2.4 .5 1.53
eW/G per36 rates tm Min Eff% Sco Reb Ast Stl TO Blk e480
.121 Bynum,Andrew LA 31 .584 20.1 14.7 .8 .5 2.1 2.1 1.86
.121 Noah,Joakim Chi 32 .508 15.0 13.2 2.3 1.2 1.6 2.9 1.82
.118 Gasol,Marc Mem 40 .553 14.3 11.5 2.6 .5 1.6 1.3 1.42
.116 Andre Miller Por 34 .596 22.1 3.8 5.8 .4 2.4 .0 1.66
.114 Lamarcus Aldridge Por 43 .505 16.7 6.4 1.2 1.3 1.3 1.7 1.27
.110 Deng,Luol Chi 42 .528 17.8 5.8 3.4 1.2 1.7 .3 1.25
.108 Smith,Josh Atl 35 .488 17.5 9.5 2.7 .8 2.3 .8 1.49
.104 Nelson,Jameer Orl 36 .436 14.2 5.7 5.9 1.9 1.4 .0 1.39
.102 Duncan,Tim SA 35 .508 13.3 11.7 3.0 .4 2.7 2.5 1.39
.100 Parker,Tony SA 37 .503 19.6 3.2 5.9 1.6 3.6 .4 1.32
.100 Gasol,Pau LA 36 .492 13.6 8.4 4.7 .4 1.8 2.4 1.33
It steps down pretty sharply here. No one else is over .090 eW/G and over 1.15 eW/480 min.
(These 31 are all over .100 eW/G and over 1.25 e480.)
Re: 2011 Playoff summaries
Posted: Thu Apr 28, 2011 10:02 pm
by Crow
A few surprises or at least mild surprises but generally the names you'd expect from the regular season.
Re: 2011 Playoff summaries
Posted: Fri Apr 29, 2011 9:50 am
by J.E.
Dwight Howard was channeling his inner Yinka Dare with a 3/33 assist to turnover ratio. The only players to even come close in the last 20 years are Mourning in 04/05 with 5/22, Yao in 06/07 with 6/33 and Kemp in 91/92 with 4/27. You can obviously make the case that his teammates could have prevented this by hitting a couple more shots
Re: 2011 Playoff summaries
Posted: Sat Apr 30, 2011 2:49 pm
by Mike G
Post-First round leaders in eWins per game played.
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eW/G per36 rates tm Min Eff% Sco Reb Ast PF Stl TO Blk e480
.274 Howard,Dwight Orl 43 .648 33.2 14.9 .4 3.6 .6 4.7 1.6 3.06
.238 James,Lebron Mia 42 .571 24.9 9.5 6.3 1.5 .7 1.2 .7 2.70
.218 Nowitzki,Dirk Dal 39 .560 31.5 8.7 3.0 2.4 .5 3.2 .5 2.72
.212 Wade,Dwyane Mia 38 .516 25.3 8.5 6.2 1.7 1.4 2.7 1.9 2.68
.203 Durant,Kevin Okl 42 .611 30.9 4.9 3.3 2.9 .9 1.2 .9 2.32
.202 Paul,Chris NO 42 .650 24.1 6.5 10.1 1.6 1.6 3.2 .0 2.33
.199 Rose,Derrick Chi 39 .511 29.1 4.6 6.0 2.4 2.4 3.6 1.1 2.44
.174 Randolph,Zach Mem 37 .558 23.7 9.6 3.9 3.5 1.3 2.0 .5 2.25
.172 Rondo,Rajon Bos 42 .507 18.3 6.5 11.3 .9 .9 3.3 .0 1.98
.168 Anthony,Carmelo NY 39 .495 24.4 10.0 4.1 3.7 1.2 3.0 .7 2.06
.154 Westbrook,Russel Okl 36 .494 25.4 6.2 7.4 3.4 .8 4.1 .4 2.04
.145 Ginobili,Manu SA 35 .569 25.3 4.5 4.5 2.7 2.7 3.6 .6 1.99
.143 Allen,Ray Bos 40 .752 25.7 4.2 2.1 1.6 1.4 1.1 .2 1.72
.140 Bryant,Kobe LA 34 .536 28.2 4.9 5.1 2.9 1.6 3.6 .4 1.96
.139 Garnett,Kevin Bos 34 .504 18.5 12.6 4.2 1.9 2.2 3.2 .8 1.96
.133 Bynum,Andrew LA 31 .595 22.2 15.5 1.0 4.6 .6 2.6 2.2 2.06
.129 Bosh,Chris Mia 40 .532 20.2 8.6 .9 1.8 .9 1.6 1.1 1.54
.128 Kidd,Jason Dal 34 .631 15.5 6.1 7.5 2.0 1.4 1.8 .5 1.79
.127 Crawford,Jamal Atl 30 .564 27.8 2.0 3.2 1.9 .8 1.3 .6 2.03
.125 Granger,Danny Ind 37 .551 22.5 5.5 3.1 2.4 1.2 1.4 .2 1.62
eW/G per36 rates tm Min Eff% Sco Reb Ast PF Stl TO Blk e480
.123 Pierce,Paul Bos 39 .571 24.1 4.2 2.5 3.3 1.9 2.4 .5 1.53
.121 Noah,Joakim Chi 32 .508 15.0 13.2 2.3 5.1 1.2 1.6 2.9 1.82
.114 Gasol,Marc Mem 40 .559 13.9 11.9 2.3 3.5 .5 2.0 1.3 1.36
.110 Deng,Luol Chi 42 .528 17.8 5.8 3.4 1.9 1.2 1.7 .3 1.25
.108 Aldridge,Lamarcu Por 43 .492 16.3 6.9 1.1 2.7 1.1 1.3 1.4 1.20
.106 Wallace,Gerald Por 38 .548 15.9 9.8 2.6 3.1 1.3 2.4 .5 1.36
.106 Gasol,Pau LA 36 .500 14.8 8.8 4.8 3.1 .3 1.9 2.4 1.42
.105 Parker,Tony SA 37 .520 20.8 2.8 5.4 1.7 1.3 3.3 .3 1.36
.104 Nelson,Jameer Orl 36 .444 13.9 4.8 6.0 2.4 2.1 1.4 .0 1.39
.102 Terry,Jason Dal 33 .578 21.8 2.3 4.4 1.9 1.1 1.9 .0 1.47
.100 Duncan,Tim SA 35 .494 13.1 11.7 3.0 3.0 .5 3.1 2.6 1.37
.099 Horford,Al Atl 40 .444 11.0 9.9 3.6 2.6 .5 1.2 .9 1.19
.096 Smith,Josh Atl 35 .453 16.1 9.2 2.6 3.8 .9 2.7 1.1 1.34
.094 Johnson,Joe Atl 41 .458 16.8 6.1 3.3 1.3 .4 2.4 .1 1.10
.091 Miller,Andre Por 32 .563 19.1 4.0 6.0 3.2 .4 2.5 .0 1.35
Re: 2011 Playoff summaries
Posted: Sat Apr 30, 2011 7:29 pm
by Crow
I wonder how well any of the available metrics set up on a player contribution to win per game or per series basis would do at predicting the next rounds based on their estimated impact and the net of that against the impact of their estimated counterpart (from some combination of simple comparison of "own" values or looking at season level opponent performance and direct match-up games) as compared to 1) simple point differential basis analysis, or 2) team level 4 Factor analysis, or 3) a more detailed model down to shot level and including rotations and coaching or 4) a hybrid system with some of each. If it were deemed worth the time.
Re: 2011 Playoff summaries
Posted: Sat Apr 30, 2011 7:53 pm
by Mike G
I don't know what other systems could do, but there's nothing in eWins that predicts any specific matchup edge between team A and team B. Nor what scheme a given coach will undertake. Intuitively, an 82 game season still tells you more about a team's expected point differential than the last 4 to 7 games tells you. Unless a weakness has been exploited AND the team with that weakness has still advanced, what can you know from a distance?
Coaches get the big bucks to make their adjustments, probably based on gut feelings more than all other evidence together.
Re: 2011 Playoff summaries
Posted: Mon May 02, 2011 6:40 pm
by Mike G
A day late, but eWins per game leaders who are still playing, thru Round 1 :
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eW/G per36 rates tm Min Eff% Sco Reb Ast PF Stl TO Blk e480
.238 James,Lebron Mia 42 .571 24.9 9.5 6.3 1.5 .7 1.2 .7 2.70
.218 Nowitzki,Dirk Dal 39 .560 31.5 8.7 3.0 2.4 .5 3.2 .5 2.72
.212 Wade,Dwyane Mia 38 .516 25.3 8.5 6.2 1.7 1.4 2.7 1.9 2.68
.203 Durant,Kevin Okl 42 .611 30.9 4.9 3.3 2.9 .9 1.2 .9 2.32
.199 Rose,Derrick Chi 39 .511 29.1 4.6 6.0 2.4 2.4 3.6 1.1 2.44
.174 Randolph,Zach Mem 37 .558 23.7 9.6 3.9 3.5 1.3 2.0 .5 2.25
.172 Rondo,Rajon Bos 42 .507 18.3 6.5 11.3 .9 .9 3.3 .0 1.98
.154 Westbrook,Russel Okl 36 .494 25.4 6.2 7.4 3.4 .8 4.1 .4 2.04
.143 Allen,Ray Bos 40 .752 25.7 4.2 2.1 1.6 1.4 1.1 .2 1.72
.140 Bryant,Kobe LA 34 .536 28.2 4.9 5.1 2.9 1.6 3.6 .4 1.96
eW/G per36 rates tm Min Eff% Sco Reb Ast PF Stl TO Blk e480
.139 Garnett,Kevin Bos 34 .504 18.5 12.6 4.2 1.9 2.2 3.2 .8 1.96
.133 Bynum,Andrew LA 31 .595 22.2 15.5 1.0 4.6 .6 2.6 2.2 2.06
.129 Bosh,Chris Mia 40 .532 20.2 8.6 .9 1.8 .9 1.6 1.1 1.54
.128 Kidd,Jason Dal 34 .631 15.5 6.1 7.5 2.0 1.4 1.8 .5 1.79
.127 Crawford,Jamal Atl 30 .564 27.8 2.0 3.2 1.9 .8 1.3 .6 2.03
.123 Pierce,Paul Bos 39 .571 24.1 4.2 2.5 3.3 1.9 2.4 .5 1.53
.121 Noah,Joakim Chi 32 .508 15.0 13.2 2.3 5.1 1.2 1.6 2.9 1.82
.114 Gasol,Marc Mem 40 .559 13.9 11.9 2.3 3.5 .5 2.0 1.3 1.36
.110 Deng,Luol Chi 42 .528 17.8 5.8 3.4 1.9 1.2 1.7 .3 1.25
.106 Gasol,Pau LA 36 .500 14.8 8.8 4.8 3.1 .3 1.9 2.4 1.42
eW/G per36 rates tm Min Eff% Sco Reb Ast PF Stl TO Blk e480
.102 Terry,Jason Dal 33 .578 21.8 2.3 4.4 1.9 1.1 1.9 .0 1.47
.099 Horford,Al Atl 40 .444 11.0 9.9 3.6 2.6 .5 1.2 .9 1.19
.096 Smith,Josh Atl 35 .453 16.1 9.2 2.6 3.8 .9 2.7 1.1 1.34
.094 Johnson,Joe Atl 41 .458 16.8 6.1 3.3 1.3 .4 2.4 .1 1.10
.089 Ibaka,Serge Okl 32 .490 11.1 13.0 .5 3.7 .5 2.1 5.6 1.34
.086 Conley,Mike Mem 39 .457 13.0 4.6 7.3 3.3 .8 2.1 .2 1.08
.074 Artest,Ron LA 33 .592 15.6 7.0 2.8 2.8 .9 1.1 .6 1.08
.074 Marion,Shawn Dal 31 .504 12.7 8.6 2.6 3.0 1.0 1.2 1.0 1.13
.067 Odom,Lamar LA 28 .537 16.4 9.1 3.0 2.8 .2 1.8 .4 1.14
.067 Harden,James Okl 30 .565 12.9 6.7 4.0 3.8 1.4 1.6 1.2 1.07
Re: 2011 Playoff summaries
Posted: Mon May 02, 2011 10:08 pm
by Crow
Of course the levels matter, but in terms of presence in the top 30, it splits out:
Lakers 5, Celtics, Hawks, Mavs & Thunder 4, Bulls, Griz & Heat 3.
The rounded averages for these leaders are eW/g of .13, 36 minutes, EFF of 54%, 20.0 SCO, 7.8 REB, 4 assists, 2.7 PFs, 1 ST, 2.1 TOs, 1 Block and 1.72 e480.
With average eW/g for top guys at .13, it follows in broad terms that you either need some combo of 4+ top guys, better than average top guys, better than average support casts and weaker than average opponents to win a series from here.
It might be interesting to track how many of these 4 ways to help win, each series winner achieved and what the averages are in the first round and beyond.
In the first round Memphis beat San Antonio on more guys above .34 eWs in the round (the cutoff for the top 30 who made the round 2) more impact from them and a higher eW/g for the top 3 guys, whereas I guess the Spurs won on eW/g beyond the top 3.
The Thunder beat the Nuggets on more guys above .34 eWs, more impact from them, and a higher eW/g for the top 3 guys, whereas I guess the Nuggets won on eW/g beyond the top 3.
So they both won in the same fashion in round 1 with more and better performing top guys.
This round and beyond the results of these various criteria might become more mixed or maybe not.
Re: 2011 Playoff summaries
Posted: Tue May 03, 2011 8:04 pm
by Mike G
Zach Randolph currently has the 5th highest career playoff Win Shares per minute rate, of anyone in NBA/ABA history with as many as 300 playoff minutes. Only Jordan, Mikan, LeBron, and Bobby Wanzer are higher.
http://bkref.com/tiny/sZU0c
Only 2 of those are since the shot clock started ticking.
His career playoff WS/48 (.218) is almost twice his career regular-season rate of .111.
In the NBA in the shotclock era, 30 players have managed a WS/48 rate of .250 or better in a postseason for at least 262 minutes. Jordan did it 6 times, Kareem 5 times, Wilt 3 times; Russell, West, Magic, Duncan, and Marques Johnson twice each.
Other current players (once each): Kobe, Dirk, Shaq, Manu, Pierce, Amar'e, LeBron, Camby, and Chris Paul.
http://bkref.com/tiny/ic9Hz
Re: 2011 Playoff summaries
Posted: Tue May 03, 2011 8:11 pm
by EvanZ
Sample size is really, really small so far for Randolph. 15 playoff games in his career, 8 of them took place over 8 or more years ago. One bad series could quickly change things.
Re: 2011 Playoff summaries
Posted: Tue May 03, 2011 8:25 pm
by Crow
Randolph's standing on career playoff Win Shares per minute rate is worth noting. Thanks for highlighting it.
The closest comparison so far to me appears to be Elton Brand at career .202. For each, 10+ seasons, 2 playoff appearances, one series win, one really strong playoff Win Shares per minute rate. Zac had the better 2nd one.
Will be interesting to see where Zac's WS/m ends up at the ends of this playoffs and in future ones.
For single playoff ratings .25+ WS/m by decade
(based on date during playoffs; same minutes cutoff)
2010s 1
00s 10
90s 6 (all but one were Jordan; he was great but may have also benefited from a lack of superstar .25+ WS/m opponent playoff performances)
80s 11
70s 5 (4 of 5 were Kareem's)
60s 7
50s 3
Drop the standard to .23+
WS/m are there are about 75% more appearances on the list than with .25+.
Jordan gets one more himself and 5 more competitors. Kareem gets 3 more competitors.
by decade over .23 WS/m:
2010s 2
00s 19
90s 12
80s 16
70s 8
60s 17
50s 7
by recent decade over .20 WS/m:
2010s 7
00s 49
90s 37
80s 31
So for .25+ performances the peak times were the 2000s and the 1980s. For .23+ performances the peak times were the 2000s, 80s and 60s. The .2+ performances give the 2000s an advantage on depth over the 80s.
The 90s do a little better in comparison with other decades on .2+ performances but still don't shine as bright as the leading decades by these numbers. The era's defensive rules and lesser enforcement might play a substantial role in this.
Re: 2011 Playoff summaries
Posted: Tue May 03, 2011 8:49 pm
by Mike G
EvanZ wrote:... One bad series could quickly change things.
That's why I like to make note of such a phenomenon, when it's happening.
There has not been anyone in the shot clock era who has wound up a playoff career at such heights, other than Michael; LeBron may manage it.
Re: 2011 Playoff summaries
Posted: Tue May 03, 2011 9:09 pm
by EvanZ
I guess if I were a betting man, then I would bet he regresses to the mean soon. If not this series, maybe the next one.
Re: 2011 Playoff summaries
Posted: Tue May 03, 2011 9:49 pm
by Mike G
As a guessing man, I bet you are right.