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Getting more end of half shots

Posted: Sat Oct 18, 2014 7:19 pm
by Crow
Has anyone with a play by play database studied the percentage of end of half shots that teams get? Does any team get 60, 70 or more%? If so that is potentially valuable - ie. potentially extra possessions (if at 60% twice equals possibly .4 extra possession per game; at 70%, maybe .8). How much effort do smart teams make? What is the best strategy? How successful would be trying to get a shot at 30-35 seconds remaining? How early do you have to begin trying for this opportunity to reliably get it?

Buzzer Beater Analytics

Posted: Wed Nov 12, 2014 11:49 pm
by BigLeagueInsights
Should a team down by 2 with the final possession go for the win?

The numbers behind buzzer beater strategy.
http://bigleagueinsights.com/analytics- ... -3-to-win/

Intentionally fouling at the end of quarters?

Posted: Sun Nov 23, 2014 6:48 pm
by ampersand5
I remember I made a model for this several years ago but I never spoke to anyone else about it and have subsequently lost the data I had.

primer:
- applicable for the first, second and third quarter of a basketball game
- if the last possession of quarter is determined on an arbitrary basis, teams are expected to have the last possession 1.5/3 times per game
- possessing the last possession of the quarter for all three quarters is an increase in 1.5 possessions per game

concept:
intentionally fouling (only if you are in the bonus) the worst FT shooter on the opposing team when they have the ball at the end of the quarter with less than 27~ seconds left (and a fresh shotclock).
Without fouling, the team has on average between a 1-1.1 expected point value.
With fouling the worst FT shooter (if they are a 60% shooter), the expected point value would be just over 1.2 points (chance of offensive rebound).
This would give the opposing team an increase in expected point value of .1-.2 points.
However, it would also give the fouling team an additional possession with a fresh shot clock.
With an expected point value from the possession being near 1 point, the team is having a net benefit of near .8 expected points overall.

Those are just the rough thoughts on the idea and obviously there are other factors. It is unclear how frequently these opportunities would present themselves, but if this could add the value of 1 expected point per game, I think that would be fairly significant and worth investigating further.

Re: Intentionally fouling at the end of quarters?

Posted: Sun Nov 23, 2014 7:36 pm
by Crow
I shared interest in this general topic earlier. Your free throw strategy is a twist, if one can't arrange it otherwise. Some research on this may be coming out in intermediate future.

Re: Intentionally fouling at the end of quarters?

Posted: Sun Nov 23, 2014 7:48 pm
by ampersand5
Crow wrote:I shared interest in this general topic earlier. Your free throw strategy is a twist, if one can't arrange it otherwise. Some research on this may be coming out in intermediate future.
While two for ones would solve the same problem, they create an incredibly large dataset of possibilities. I'd be very excited to learn what strategy people suggest + the math behind it. Is that what you were interested in before - or is there something else I'm missing?

Despite all of the factors involved here - how frequent does a team wait until the last second to shoot? What is the offensive efficiency of possessions with an automatic whistle after 24 seconds? What is the difference in offensive efficiency in such situations after a FT, or after a made basket? the damage of committing an extra foul etc, they all seem like they would only lead to minor adjustments in the numbers making the larger principle still valid.

Re: Intentionally fouling at the end of quarters?

Posted: Sun Nov 23, 2014 11:42 pm
by Crow
I brought ending possessions briefly about 6 weeks ago.
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=8712

There is someone working on something related. Perhaps he will contact you. I should probably leave it to him when to discuss his work.

Re: Intentionally fouling at the end of quarters?

Posted: Mon Nov 24, 2014 3:36 am
by jessefis
I am actively working on a sloan paper which somewhat relates to this which crow was pointing out. My abstract was selected to the second round. I will link here at some point (depending on how far I get will determine how soon that is).

Re: Intentionally fouling at the end of quarters?

Posted: Mon Nov 24, 2014 4:54 am
by ampersand5
jessefis wrote:I am actively working on a sloan paper which somewhat relates to this which crow was pointing out. My abstract was selected to the second round. I will link here at some point (depending on how far I get will determine how soon that is).
are you the person that crow was referring to?
Anyways, I assume your paper is far broader in scope and I'm excited to learn more.

Just as a proxy, I'm going to check to see if the rockets are shooting a disproportional amount of quarter ending shots.

Re: Intentionally fouling at the end of quarters?

Posted: Mon Nov 24, 2014 5:26 am
by ampersand5
the rockets are getting 2.15/3 end of quarter opportunities per game this season which suggests they're likely doing some sort of 2 for 1 scheme. They definitely haven't been intentionally fouling though.

Re: Intentionally fouling at the end of quarters?

Posted: Mon Nov 24, 2014 7:21 am
by Crow
That is basically 70%, what I thought might be near upper performance of best, most determined on this.
Thanks for checking. More even better.

Intentional fouling might be hard to sell to coach in case where Houston has generally been doing well.

Would baiting opponents into mid-range shot be easier sell and as good or better?

Innovation in the NBA

Posted: Thu Dec 18, 2014 11:00 pm
by ampersand5
When an NBA team gets the ball at the end of a quarter, their strategy is hardly a mystery. The team will hold the ball until the clock runs out and try and score on an iso-play. What the defensive team should do is a lot more complicated. Conventional wisdom says that the defending team should play ferocious D and merely hope the other team doesn’t score, but there is a better strategy.

If a team is defending at the end of the quarter where the other team received possession of the ball with between 6-30 seconds left in the quarter, they should intentionally foul. Specifically, NBA teams should be intentionally fouling the opposing teams worst free throw shooter.

The average NBA team scores 1.067 points for every possession they have. Although the average NBA free throw percentage is around 76%, I’m going to pretend the average free throw percentage is only 70% because the team would only be intentionally fouling the worst free throw shooter on the court (likely to be below average). By giving two guaranteed free-throws to the other team, they will be giving up an estimated value of 1.4 points (two free throws with a 70% chance of going in) rather than the 1.067 they could be giving up by playing defence. However, by intentionally fouling, the defensive team is creating an additional possession for themselves at the end of the quarter.

By creating an additional possession at the end of the quarter, the defending team is giving themselves another opportunity to score. Using the average NBA expected point per possession number, the team has now created an estimated value of 1.067 points that they did not have previously. This means that even by intentionally fouling – increasing the opposing team’s expected point value by over 130%, you are still coming out ahead.*

1.4 (points given up by fouling) – 1.067 (points expected to give up without fouling)= -.33 points

- the expected value from an additional possession subtracted from the increase in points allowed is (1.067-.33= .737 points).

By intentionally fouling at the end of quarters, the defensive team is increasing their expected point value by .737 points.

There are three quarters in a basketball game where this strategy is possible. Because the chance of having the ball at the end of a quarter is largely a matter of luck, lets assume that NBA teams already gets possession 50% of the time or 1.5 times per game. This means that even if this situation took place every quarter, a team could only increase their end of quarter possessions by 1.5 per game. Because the timing of possessions does not always work out like this, lets assume that teams can use this strategy only once in 50% of their games. That means that an NBA team could increase their average point differential by .37 points per year.

Such a change in point differential would lead to the average NBA team winning an additional 2.3 games per year (using the Pythagorean wins formula).

For context – an NBA win is valued at benefiting an NBA franchise around $1.94 million dollars, thus giving a team an increased value of $4.462 million dollars per season.

The point of me writing about this was not to argue that NBA teams should start doing this (which they should), or even to spread this idea (its not a secret), but to highlight the recalcitrance to “weird” innovation.

Even if the numbers are slightly different from mine, this strategy is clearly effective and worth implementing. However, no NBA teams utilize this strategy. The only coach who has ever implemented such a strategy is Gregg Popovich, and he has done so only sparingly. Even so, it is not surprising that the coach regarded as being the most innovative, unique and smart is the only one with the fortitude to go through with such a strategy.

NBA teams are not stupid. NBA teams are cognizant of this issue and run various other strategies known as “two for ones”, where they try to time their shot selection at the end of quarters to increase the chances of receiving the last possession.

No NBA team intentionally fouls at the end of quarters (even though it is in their interest to do so) because it is counter-intuitive. Even if the General Manager in a team’s front office recognizes it as a good idea, they then would need to convince the coach. Even if the coach thought it was a good idea, they would then need to convince the players. If the team actually did implement it, the fans and media would ridicule them if it ever went wrong.

Even when innovation has clear benefits, the ability for people to dismiss an idea because its new, counter-intuitive or “weird” is substantial. For innovation to take place, its benefit must be larger than its level of “weirdness”. In the case of intentionally fouling, its utility has been outweighed by its “weirdness” and will not be implemented.







*There are several other variables at play here. Teams might not wait until the last second to shoot, there is the change in offensive efficiencies for iso plays vs normal plays where an offensive rebound is possible, there is the possibility of the offensive team receiving a rebound off the missed free throw etc. However, the general principle of this concept still will hold because the increased value of an additional possession is so substantial.
http://danfrank.ca/?p=243

Re: Buzzer Beater Analytics

Posted: Thu Dec 18, 2014 11:39 pm
by Crow
I merged a few related or semi-related threads. Perhaps it will aid further discussion.