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Posted: **Sat Mar 20, 2021 8:52 pm**

Every few years I go back and see how the Magic Metric holds up against newer player ratings.
I always felt the best measure was a combination of the per game and per minute rating, and I rated
players as a product of the two. Just pulled this years stats, and it appears Jimmy Butler was
the greatest snub.

MM/g mm/m product allstar?
1 Nikola Jokic 33.26 0.92 30.83 S
2 Giannis Antetokounmpo 31.41 0.91 28.86 S
3 Joel Embiid 30.43 0.93 28.42 S
4 Luka Doncic 29.81 0.83 24.97 S
5 James Harden 30.13 0.79 23.95 R
6 Damian Lillard 28.89 0.79 23.08 R
7 Stephen Curry 27.8 0.82 22.9 S
8 Kevin Durant 28.36 0.79 22.47 S
9 LeBron James 27.31 0.79 21.66 S
10 Bradley Beal 27.8 0.77 21.62 S
11 Nikola Vucevic 26.57 0.78 20.73 R
12 Kyrie Irving 26.99 0.75 20.43 S
13 Kawhi Leonard 26.54 0.76 20.34 S
14 Jimmy Butler 25.8 0.77 19.99
15 Zach LaVine 25.88 0.73 18.89 R
16 Karl-Anthony Towns 24.97 0.74 18.71
17 Zion Williamson 24.42 0.74 18.25 R
18 Trae Young 24.76 0.72 17.92
19 CJ McCollum 23.67 0.73 17.45
20 Christian Wood 23.11 0.75 17.37
21 Julius Randle 25.06 0.68 17.05 R
22 Anthony Davis 23.63 0.72 17.02 R
23 Russell Westbrook 23.92 0.68 16.48
24 Domantas Sabonis 24.41 0.67 16.4 R
25 Bam Adebayo 22.93 0.68 15.63
26 Paul George 22.81 0.68 15.62 R
27 Shai Gilgeous-Alexander 22.71 0.67 15.3
28 Jayson Tatum 23.09 0.64 14.95 R
29 DeMar DeRozan 22.45 0.65 14.81
30 Clint Capela 20.59 0.7 14.42
31 Brandon Ingram 21.98 0.64 14.1
32 De'Aaron Fox 22.01 0.63 14.02
33 Rudy Gobert 20.7 0.66 13.83 R
34 Jaylen Brown 21.68 0.63 13.8 R
35 Donovan Mitchell 21.67 0.63 13.75 R
36 Andre Drummond 19.84 0.68 13.63
37 Tobias Harris 21.5 0.63 13.59
38 Chris Paul 20.57 0.64 13.32 R
39 Ben Simmons 21.28 0.62 13.31 R
40 Jonas Valanciunas 19.06 0.69 13.2
41 Kristaps Porzingis 20.06 0.65 13.17
42 Khris Middleton 20.98 0.62 13.17
43 Malcolm Brogdon 21.49 0.6 13.01
44 Devin Booker 20.93 0.61 12.89 R
45 Fred VanVleet 21.26 0.57 12.31
46 Pascal Siakam 20.75 0.58 12.1
47 Gordon Hayward 20.35 0.58 12
48 LaMelo Ball 18.52 0.64 11.91
49 Kyle Lowry 20.26 0.58 11.83
50 Chris Boucher 16.68 0.69 11.54
51 Jerami Grant 20.14 0.56 11.38
52 Jamal Murray 20.06 0.56 11.37
53 John Collins 18.58 0.6 11.29
54 Richaun Holmes 18.27 0.6 11.11
55 Terry Rozier 19.09 0.57 11.01
56 Jarrett Allen 17.5 0.61 10.84
57 Enes Kanter 16.84 0.63 10.67
58 Ja Morant 18.17 0.58 10.61
59 Dejounte Murray 18.22 0.58 10.6
60 Deandre Ayton 17.84 0.58 10.5
61 Thaddeus Young 16.26 0.64 10.49
62 Mike Conley 17.62 0.59 10.46 R
63 Victor Oladipo 18.5 0.55 10.32
64 Caris LeVert 17.1 0.6 10.26
65 Collin Sexton 19.18 0.53 10.22
66 Michael Porter Jr. 17.21 0.59 10.17
67 Montrezl Harrell 15.68 0.64 10.09
68 Jrue Holiday 17.74 0.56 10.08
69 Evan Fournier 17.26 0.58 10.05
70 John Wall 17.78 0.56 10.01
71 Al Horford 16.54 0.59 9.77
72 Malik Beasley 17.99 0.54 9.77
73 D'Angelo Russell 16.76 0.57 9.64
74 De'Andre Hunter 17.52 0.54 9.54
75 Norman Powell 17 0.56 9.52
76 Thomas Bryant 15.91 0.58 9.34
77 Lauri Markkanen 16.93 0.55 9.34
78 Harrison Barnes 18.05 0.5 9.1
79 Mason Plumlee 15.85 0.57 9.09
80 Robert Williams III 12.26 0.72 8.9
81 Jordan Clarkson 15.1 0.58 8.82
82 Aaron Gordon 15.7 0.54 8.56
83 Kemba Walker 16.14 0.52 8.55
84 Lonzo Ball 16.45 0.51 8.54
85 Kyle Anderson 15.13 0.55 8.46
86 Kevin Porter Jr. 16.07 0.52 8.42
87 Myles Turner 16.11 0.52 8.41
88 Tyrese Haliburton 15.57 0.52 8.16
89 Joe Ingles 14.77 0.55 8.13
90 Bobby Portis 13.01 0.61 8.02
91 Mikal Bridges 16.04 0.49 7.93
92 Andrew Wiggins 15.91 0.49 7.89
93 Wendell Carter Jr. 14.05 0.55 7.76
94 DeMarcus Cousins 12.42 0.61 7.62
95 Delon Wright 14.91 0.5 7.58
96 Naz Reid 12.17 0.61 7.45
97 Keldon Johnson 14.65 0.5 7.4
98 Serge Ibaka 13.15 0.55 7.34
99 RJ Barrett 15.69 0.46 7.34

Posted: **Sun Mar 21, 2021 3:18 am**

Conley at 62 is the lowest rating for any selection I think. Pretty low rating compared to some other metrics.

Posted: **Sun Mar 21, 2021 2:06 pm**

Agree that both per minute and per game numbers have value, but so does the number of games and minutes that a player is producing those rates. Going into the allstar break, Butler had missed 40% of his team's games.

If the Heat had been doing great at the time, he still might have been named -- see A Davis, Durant, Conley.

Also, if your numbers include play since the break, Butler has really notched it up since then. Before the break, he'd been very good; and since then extremely good.
https://www.basketball-reference.com/pl ... nced/2021/

Over here --
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=9864&p=37857#p37857
-- I did a midseason ranking where Butler was #43 in equivalent wins contributed.
Of that top 43, he was #11 in per-minute rate but last in minutes.

If he stays healthy, he may be one of those who miss the all-star selection but make one of the all-NBA teams -- a more exclusive list.
He's currently #6 in PER, 4th in BPM, and 3rd in WS/48, as b-r.com ranks 182 'qualifying' players.
https://www.basketball-reference.com/le ... anced.html

Posted: **Sun Mar 21, 2021 2:41 pm**

Good points. It does include the post all star break numbers. Thanks to whomever for deleting my duplicate post.

Posted: **Sun Mar 21, 2021 2:57 pm**

I've formatted your list.

Code: Select all

. player           MM/g  mm/m  prod.  AS?
Joel Embiid        30.4   .93   28.4   S
Nikola Jokic       33.3   .92   30.8   S
Antetokounmpo      31.4   .91   28.9   S
Luka Doncic        29.8   .83   25.0   S
Stephen Curry      27.8   .82   22.9   S
James Harden       30.1   .79   24.0   R
Damian Lillard     28.9   .79   23.1   R
Kevin Durant       28.4   .79   22.5   S
LeBron James       27.3   .79   21.7   S
Nikola Vucevic     26.6   .78   20.7   R
Bradley Beal       27.8   .77   21.6   S
Jimmy Butler       25.8   .77   20.0   
Kawhi Leonard      26.5   .76   20.3   S
Kyrie Irving       27.0   .75   20.4   S
Christian Wood     23.1   .75   17.4   
Karl-A Towns       25.0   .74   18.7   
Zion Williamson    24.4   .74   18.3   R
Zach LaVine        25.9   .73   18.9   R
CJ McCollum        23.7   .73   17.5   
Robert Williams    12.3   .72    8.9   
Trae Young         24.8   .72   17.9   
Anthony Davis      23.6   .72   17.0   R
Clint Capela       20.6   .70   14.4   
Jonas Valanciunas  19.1   .69   13.2   
Chris Boucher      16.7   .69   11.5   
Julius Randle      25.1   .68   17.1   R
Russell Westbrook  23.9   .68   16.5   
Bam Adebayo        22.9   .68   15.6   
Paul George        22.8   .68   15.6   R
Andre Drummond     19.8   .68   13.6   
Domantas Sabonis   24.4   .67   16.4   R
Shai G-Alexander   22.7   .67   15.3   
Rudy Gobert        20.7   .66   13.8   R
DeMar DeRozan      22.5   .65   14.8   
Kristaps Porzingis 20.1   .65   13.2   
Jayson Tatum       23.1   .64   15.0   R
Brandon Ingram     22.0   .64   14.1   
Chris Paul         20.6   .64   13.3   R
LaMelo Ball        18.5   .64   11.9   
Thaddeus Young     16.3   .64   10.5   
Montrezl Harrell   15.7   .64   10.1   
De'Aaron Fox       22.0   .63   14.0   
Jaylen Brown       21.7   .63   13.8   R
Donovan Mitchell   21.7   .63   13.8   R
Tobias Harris      21.5   .63   13.6   
Enes Kanter        16.8   .63   10.7   
Ben Simmons        21.3   .62   13.3   R
Khris Middleton    21.0   .62   13.2   
Devin Booker       20.9   .61   12.9   R
Jarrett Allen      17.5   .61   10.8   
Bobby Portis       13.0   .61    8.0   
DeMarcus Cousins   12.4   .61    7.6   
Naz Reid           12.2   .61    7.5   
Malcolm Brogdon    21.5   .60   13.0   
John Collins       18.6   .60   11.3   
Richaun Holmes     18.3   .60   11.1   
Caris LeVert       17.1   .60   10.3   
Michael Porter     17.2   .59   10.2   
Mike Conley        17.6   .59   10.5   R
Al Horford         16.5   .59    9.8   
Pascal Siakam      20.8   .58   12.1   
Gordon Hayward     20.4   .58   12.0   
Kyle Lowry         20.3   .58   11.8   
Ja Morant          18.2   .58   10.6   
Dejounte Murray    18.2   .58   10.6   
Deandre Ayton      17.8   .58   10.5   
Evan Fournier      17.3   .58   10.1   
Thomas Bryant      15.9   .58    9.3   
Jordan Clarkson    15.1   .58    8.8   
Fred VanVleet      21.3   .57   12.3   
Terry Rozier       19.1   .57   11.0   
D'Angelo Russell   16.8   .57    9.6   
Mason Plumlee      15.9   .57    9.1   
Jerami Grant       20.1   .56   11.4   
Jamal Murray       20.1   .56   11.4   
Jrue Holiday       17.7   .56   10.1   
John Wall          17.8   .56   10.0   
Norman Powell      17.0   .56    9.5   
Wendell Carter     14.1   .55    7.8   
Victor Oladipo     18.5   .55   10.3   
Lauri Markkanen    16.9   .55    9.3   
Kyle Anderson      15.1   .55    8.5   
Joe Ingles         14.8   .55    8.1   
Serge Ibaka        13.2   .55    7.3   
Malik Beasley      18.0   .54    9.8   
De'Andre Hunter    17.5   .54    9.5   
Aaron Gordon       15.7   .54    8.6   
Collin Sexton      19.2   .53   10.2   
Kevin Porter       16.1   .52    8.4   
Kemba Walker       16.1   .52    8.6   
Myles Turner       16.1   .52    8.4   
Tyrese Haliburton  15.6   .52    8.2   
Lonzo Ball         16.5   .51    8.5   
Harrison Barnes    18.1   .50    9.1   
Delon Wright       14.9   .50    7.6   
Keldon Johnson     14.7   .50    7.4   
Mikal Bridges      16.0   .49    7.9   
Andrew Wiggins     15.9   .49    7.9   
RJ Barrett         15.7   .46    7.3

Now realize I had sorted by the per-minute metric; sorry.

I actually thought this year's allstar selections were better than most years. My top 16 were all named, and top snubs were Trae Young, Bam Adebayo, and Clint Capela.

Posted: **Sun Mar 21, 2021 4:32 pm**

Thanks Mike

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