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Rookies 2022
Posted: Thu Nov 04, 2021 11:11 pm
by Mike G
At not quite 10% of the season, rookies project to total 51 eWins -- the East getting 30 of those.
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e82 per36 rates tm Eff% Sco Reb Ast Stl TO Blk e484
6.3 Scottie Barnes Tor .577 20.2 9.6 2.0 .7 2.6 .6 1.37
6.0 Evan Mobley Cle .533 14.1 8.6 2.2 1.3 2.0 1.5 1.04
5.9 Josh Giddey OKC .491 12.3 6.7 6.4 1.9 2.6 .9 1.18
4.9 Franz Wagner Orl .593 16.5 4.0 1.7 1.5 1.0 .6 .89
4.6 Chris Duarte Ind .545 16.4 4.8 2.0 1.1 2.0 .1 .77
3.1 Alperen Şengün Hou .526 13.4 7.3 3.3 3.9 5.1 .7 .90
3.0 Jalen Green Hou .479 13.9 4.1 3.4 1.0 3.3 .7 .53
2.1 Bones Hyland Den .559 17.8 3.1 4.3 2.6 1.3 .4 1.31
2.0 Jalen Suggs Orl .419 12.6 4.4 3.8 1.5 4.3 .4 .41
1.8 Dalano Banton Tor .592 13.3 6.3 2.8 1.8 2.1 .9 .87
e82 per36 rates tm Eff% Sco Reb Ast Stl TO Blk e484
1.7 Deni Avdija Was .511 8.9 7.7 1.5 .8 1.2 1.4 .48
1.3 Davion Mitchell Sac .447 9.4 2.3 3.6 1.0 1.1 .3 .27
1.0 J Robinson-Earl OKC .625 11.2 7.4 .7 .6 2.3 .3 .34
.8 Greg Brown Por .387 10.8 13.9 4.6 1.2 2.5 2.5 1.46
Re: Rookies 2022
Posted: Sun Nov 07, 2021 5:43 pm
by Crow
Notice the names not in top 15.
Kuminga, Z Williams, Bouknight, Primo, J. Johnson, K. Johnson, Christopher, Garuba, Thomas, K Jones...
I was a lot lower than many on these players.
Re: Rookies 2022
Posted: Sat Nov 13, 2021 10:38 pm
by Mike G
Season at 15%, rookies project to total 50 eWins.
East 32 - 18 West
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e82 per36 rates tm Eff% Sco Reb Ast Stl TO Blk e484
7.7 Evan Mobley Cle .572 17.5 8.4 2.3 1.1 2.0 1.5 1.34
6.7 Scottie Barnes Tor .556 17.3 9.3 2.6 1.0 2.2 .8 1.33
5.1 Josh Giddey OKC .443 10.3 7.6 7.0 1.7 3.3 .7 1.04
4.6 Franz Wagner Orl .548 14.4 4.3 2.0 1.9 1.3 .6 .84
4.1 Chris Duarte Ind .526 15.5 5.1 2.0 1.0 1.9 .1 .75
3.2 Alperen Şengün Hou .566 15.2 7.2 3.4 2.8 4.2 .9 1.07
2.3 Bones Hyland Den .521 15.9 3.8 3.9 1.7 1.5 .4 1.07
1.8 Jalen Green Hou .467 12.9 3.8 2.9 .8 3.5 .4 .32
1.8 Davion Mitchell Sac .465 9.9 3.1 3.9 .8 1.3 .3 .38
1.6 Dalano Banton Tor .571 12.3 6.0 2.9 1.3 2.1 1.0 .74
e82 per36 rates tm Eff% Sco Reb Ast Stl TO Blk e484
1.5 Deni Avdija Was .483 7.3 7.6 2.0 .8 1.1 1.2 .42
1.2 Jalen Suggs Orl .412 11.5 4.2 4.0 1.1 4.6 .5 .26
1.2 Jeremiah R-Earl OKC .528 9.3 8.0 .8 .9 1.8 .5 .38
1.0 Cade Cunningham Det .404 11.5 7.2 3.4 1.2 5.2 .4 .37
Re: Rookies 2022
Posted: Wed Nov 24, 2021 1:45 pm
by Mike G
Season is 21.6% completed, and rookies project to 51 total eWins.
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e82 per36 rates tm Eff% Sco Reb Ast Stl TO Blk e484
6.0 Evan Mobley Cle .548 15.7 8.6 2.4 1.1 2.0 1.7 1.25
5.7 Scottie Barnes Tor .515 13.6 9.1 3.1 1.0 2.2 .6 1.07
5.2 Josh Giddey OKC .449 10.8 8.3 6.3 1.3 3.4 .8 1.03
3.5 Chris Duarte Ind .515 14.9 5.2 2.2 1.2 2.0 .1 .76
3.4 Alperen Şengün Hou .547 14.0 8.0 3.8 2.4 3.5 .9 1.13
3.4 Franz Wagner Orl .514 12.5 4.4 2.0 1.5 1.3 .6 .64
3.4 Cade Cunningham Det .436 12.2 7.1 5.0 1.6 3.8 .6 .89
2.5 Deni Avdija Was .523 9.1 8.2 1.9 .9 1.0 1.3 .67
2.4 J Robinson-Earl OKC .540 10.7 8.3 1.0 1.2 1.4 .6 .66
1.7 Davion Mitchell Sac .435 9.0 3.4 4.1 1.1 1.4 .3 .40
e82 per36 rates tm Eff% Sco Reb Ast Stl TO Blk e484
1.7 Jalen Suggs Orl .423 11.9 4.3 3.9 1.4 4.3 .5 .39
1.7 Jalen Green Hou .481 13.3 3.4 2.4 .8 3.3 .3 .30
1.6 Bones Hyland Den .495 13.7 4.1 3.0 1.5 1.6 .4 .77
1.2 Dalano Banton Tor .567 11.6 5.5 2.9 1.1 2.6 .7 .54
.8 Charles Bassey Phl .674 12.9 11.3 .7 .4 .8 2.9 1.17
.7 Ayo Dosunmu Chi .518 10.6 4.4 1.5 .7 1.5 .3 .28
.7 Luka Garza Det .581 11.1 6.0 2.1 1.7 1.0 .3 .72
.6 Herb Jones NOP .522 7.3 4.3 1.9 1.5 1.8 1.0 .17
.5 Tre Mann OKC .520 13.5 3.6 .5 1.2 1.4 .8 .44
position breakdown / leaders*:
C - 7.3 - Sengun, Robinson-Earl, Garza, H Jones, Landale (SA)
PF - 13.8 - Mobley, Barnes, Bassey, Garuba (Hou), Sharpe (Brk), Aldama (Mem)
SF - 8.4 - Wagner, Avdija, Banton, G Brown (Por), Kuminga (GS), Kispert (Was)
SG - 11.7 - Giddey, Duarte, J Green, Dosunmu, Christopher (Hou)
PG - 9.0 - Cunningham, Mitchell, Suggs, Hyland, Mann
* - those headed for > 0.25 eWins on the season
Re: Rookies 2022
Posted: Fri Dec 10, 2021 10:41 pm
by Mike G
With the season 31% complete, rookies are projecting to a total of 54.4 eWins.
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e82 per36 rates tm Eff% Sco Reb Ast Stl TO Blk e484
6.3 Evan Mobley Cle .536 15.3 9.0 2.6 1.1 1.8 2.1 1.29
6.3 Scottie Barnes Tor .538 14.6 8.4 3.0 1.2 2.1 .9 1.11
4.7 Franz Wagner Orl .529 13.9 5.0 2.8 1.5 1.4 .5 .86
4.5 Josh Giddey OKC .460 11.0 7.9 6.6 1.2 3.7 .8 .97
4.2 Cade Cunningham Det .478 14.4 7.5 4.7 1.6 4.4 .7 .97
3.7 Chris Duarte Ind .521 15.3 5.0 2.3 1.3 2.1 .1 .79
3.5 Alperen Şengün Hou .565 14.5 7.9 4.1 2.1 3.2 1.1 1.20
2.2 Jer. Rob.-Earl OKC .511 9.8 9.1 1.3 .9 1.4 .5 .60
1.9 Deni Avdija Was .516 8.8 7.3 1.6 .8 .8 1.1 .52
1.9 Jalen Suggs Orl .437 12.4 4.4 4.1 1.6 4.3 .6 .49
e82 per36 rates tm Eff% Sco Reb Ast Stl TO Blk e484
1.7 Davion Mitchell Sac .457 9.6 3.3 3.8 1.0 1.4 .3 .39
1.5 Jalen Green Hou .491 14.1 3.6 2.5 .8 3.3 .3 .38
1.4 Bones Hyland Den .513 14.3 3.6 2.8 1.6 1.6 .4 .74
1.3 Herb Jones NOP .528 8.0 4.5 2.0 1.9 1.6 1.1 .32
.9 Dalano Banton Tor .524 9.3 5.8 3.4 1.0 2.6 .5 .40
.8 Ayo Dosunmu Chi .575 10.7 3.8 1.9 .8 1.4 .4 .27
.7 Brandon Boston LAC .600 17.8 2.8 .8 2.0 2.3 .6 .75
.6 Charles Bassey Phl .702 12.9 10.0 .6 .6 1.4 2.7 .99
.5 Luka Garza Det .520 10.0 6.9 1.4 1.4 1.1 .2 .54
.5 Josh Christopher Hou .560 12.4 3.6 2.7 1.9 2.4 .2 .52
Re: Rookies 2022
Posted: Mon Jan 03, 2022 4:55 pm
by Mike G
With 44% of the season completed, rookies total ~63 projected eWins.
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e82 per36 rates tm Eff% Sco Reb Ast Stl TO Blk e484
5.9 Evan Mobley Cle .549 16.4 9.0 2.6 1.0 1.8 1.9 1.31
5.7 Scottie Barnes Tor .548 14.8 8.4 3.0 1.1 2.0 1.0 1.09
4.9 Franz Wagner Orl .534 15.5 5.1 2.6 1.3 1.7 .6 .89
4.4 Josh Giddey OKC .444 10.9 8.3 7.0 1.3 3.5 .7 1.00
3.8 Cade Cunningham Det .481 14.2 7.1 5.3 1.7 4.4 .7 .93
3.4 Alperen Şengün Hou .565 14.5 8.8 4.1 1.7 3.6 1.6 1.13
3.4 Chris Duarte Ind .527 15.2 5.2 2.4 1.3 2.2 .2 .76
2.5 Deni Avdija Was .539 10.1 7.6 1.8 1.1 1.3 1.2 .64
2.2 J Robinson-Earl OKC .525 11.2 8.8 1.2 .8 1.5 .4 .63
2.1 Omer Yurtseven Mia .500 12.5 14.6 1.4 1.3 2.2 1.4 1.29
e82 per36 rates tm Eff% Sco Reb Ast Stl TO Blk e484
1.9 Herbert Jones NOP .541 9.4 4.9 2.1 1.6 1.5 1.3 .44
1.5 Davion Mitchell Sac .477 10.4 3.1 3.9 1.0 1.4 .3 .40
1.4 Bones Hyland Den .505 14.9 3.7 2.9 1.3 1.8 .5 .72
1.4 Jalen Green Hou .530 15.6 3.5 2.4 .8 3.2 .3 .46
1.2 Jalen Suggs Orl .437 12.3 4.4 4.1 1.7 4.3 .6 .44
1.2 Jock Landale SAS .720 24.2 7.2 2.5 .7 1.7 1.4 1.74
1.1 Luka Garza Det .525 12.9 8.7 1.3 1.1 1.6 .3 .78
.9 Jonathan Kuminga GSW .548 17.7 5.6 1.0 1.2 2.3 .3 .82
.9 Charles Bassey Phl .684 14.9 12.2 1.3 .7 1.7 3.2 1.36
.9 Aaron Wiggins OKC .634 13.0 4.8 1.5 1.0 1.5 .3 .51
e82 per36 rates tm Eff% Sco Reb Ast Stl TO Blk e484
.8 Cam Thomas Brk .457 11.1 4.5 2.2 .9 1.1 .4 .44
.8 Ayo Dosunmu Chi .591 11.1 3.9 1.9 .8 1.6 .7 .28
.8 Josh Christopher Hou .547 11.9 3.8 3.1 1.7 3.2 .2 .37
.7 Tre Mann OKC .494 12.8 3.9 1.0 1.0 1.4 .5 .40
.7 Dalano Banton Tor .484 9.0 5.9 4.2 .9 2.9 .4 .36
Last time I ran the numbers, 80 players had made their NBA debut. Now it's 115.
Re: Rookies 2022
Posted: Sun Jan 30, 2022 3:30 am
by Mike G
With 60% of the season completed:
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e82 per36 rates tm Eff% Sco Reb Ast Stl TO Blk e484
6.1 Evan Mobley Cle .545 16.3 8.8 2.6 .8 2.1 1.8 1.25
5.3 Franz Wagner Orl .545 16.1 5.2 2.9 1.2 1.9 .6 .96
5.1 Scottie Barnes Tor .525 13.7 8.2 3.3 1.0 2.0 .9 1.01
4.5 Josh Giddey OKC .461 11.4 8.3 6.5 1.1 3.5 .5 .94
4.1 Cade Cunningham Det .496 14.9 6.1 5.3 1.5 4.2 .8 .92
3.4 Chris Duarte Ind .530 14.9 5.4 2.4 1.4 2.1 .2 .82
3.0 Herbert Jones NOP .574 10.8 4.8 2.2 1.8 1.3 1.2 .63
2.9 Omer Yurtseven Mia .540 13.6 15.0 2.4 1.1 2.1 1.1 1.51
2.5 Alperen Şengün Hou .553 13.4 8.2 3.8 1.6 3.6 1.6 .95
2.4 Deni Avdija Was .538 10.0 7.0 2.1 1.2 1.3 .9 .62
e82 per36 rates tm Eff% Sco Reb Ast Stl TO Blk e484
2.3 Jeremiah R-Earl OKC .502 10.0 8.6 1.4 1.0 1.3 .5 .63
1.6 Jalen Suggs Orl .462 13.2 4.8 4.6 1.7 4.4 .6 .58
1.6 Jonathan Kuminga GSW .563 18.7 6.6 1.2 .8 2.1 .4 1.02
1.4 Day'Ron Sharpe Brk .599 18.1 14.0 .8 .8 2.9 1.5 1.50
1.3 Ayo Dosunmu Chi .604 11.0 3.9 2.6 .9 1.6 .6 .37
1.3 Bones Hyland Den .498 13.2 4.7 2.8 .9 2.1 .5 .58
1.2 Jalen Green Hou .491 13.5 4.1 2.3 .7 3.0 .2 .33
1.1 Aaron Wiggins OKC .577 12.0 5.1 1.5 1.3 1.5 .3 .51
1.0 Cam Thomas Brk .508 12.7 4.4 1.6 .9 1.5 .2 .45
1.0 Davion Mitchell Sac .458 9.4 2.9 3.6 .9 1.4 .4 .27
1.0 Josh Christopher Hou .558 12.0 4.0 2.8 1.7 2.9 .3 .44
Rookies are on pace to total 68 eWins.
5/8 of these will be in the East.
Re: Rookies 2022
Posted: Sun Mar 13, 2022 3:03 am
by Mike G
Season at .815 and rookies project to 76 eWins total.
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e82 per36 rates tm Eff% Sco Reb Ast Stl TO Blk e484
6.2 Evan Mobley Cle .538 15.7 9.1 2.4 .9 2.1 1.8 1.21
5.5 Scottie Barnes Tor .543 14.5 8.0 2.8 1.2 2.0 .8 1.04
5.1 Franz Wagner Orl .550 16.4 5.2 2.8 1.1 1.9 .5 .94
4.2 Cade Cunningham Det .491 15.5 6.6 4.9 1.5 4.0 .7 .95
4.1 Josh Giddey OKC .475 12.0 8.5 6.2 1.1 3.7 .4 .93
2.9 Chris Duarte Ind .530 14.8 5.4 2.2 1.4 2.2 .2 .77
2.9 Herbert Jones NOP .573 11.0 4.9 2.2 1.8 1.6 1.0 .59
2.7 Alperen Şengün Hou .530 12.8 8.9 3.3 1.6 3.5 1.7 .91
2.6 Jonathan Kuminga GSW .598 20.4 6.6 1.4 .8 2.2 .6 1.15
2.5 Omer Yurtseven Mia .557 15.1 15.2 2.2 .9 2.1 1.0 1.58
e82 per36 rates tm Eff% Sco Reb Ast Stl TO Blk e484
2.3 Deni Avdija Was .530 9.7 7.5 2.0 1.1 1.4 .8 .59
2.2 Jalen Green Hou .522 14.8 3.8 2.4 .9 2.5 .3 .53
1.9 Bones Hyland Den .520 14.8 5.1 3.4 1.0 2.2 .5 .78
1.9 Ayo Dosunmu Chi .602 11.0 3.9 3.5 1.1 1.8 .5 .45
1.7 Jalen Suggs Orl .451 12.4 4.6 4.8 1.8 4.2 .5 .53
1.6 Cam Thomas Brk .513 14.3 4.4 1.8 1.0 1.6 .3 .60
1.6 J Robinson-Earl OKC .502 9.8 8.6 1.3 1.0 1.3 .6 .60
1.4 Day'Ron Sharpe Brk .584 16.7 13.9 1.2 .9 2.6 1.3 1.45
1.3 Tre Mann OKC .479 12.5 3.8 1.7 1.3 1.7 .3 .44
1.2 Isaiah Jackson Ind .604 19.7 10.6 .7 1.4 2.5 3.7 1.61
e82 per36 rates tm Eff% Sco Reb Ast Stl TO Blk e484
1.2 Josh Christopher Hou .529 11.8 4.5 2.8 1.7 2.7 .3 .47
1.1 Trendon Watford Por .587 11.5 8.2 2.3 .7 1.5 1.1 .75
1.1 Davion Mitchell Sac .470 10.1 2.9 3.5 1.0 1.6 .4 .29
1.1 Corey Kispert Was .555 11.2 4.4 1.4 .6 1.0 .5 .34
1.0 Aaron Wiggins OKC .562 11.3 5.3 1.4 1.1 1.4 .4 .44
1.0 Jose Alvarado NOP .496 10.2 3.9 4.5 2.5 1.7 .4 .72
1.0 Terry Taylor Ind .628 15.5 11.1 2.1 .3 .8 .4 1.29
0.9 Brandon Boston LAC .470 12.4 4.6 1.6 1.2 1.4 .5 .53
0.9 Quentin Grimes NYK .582 12.5 3.8 1.6 1.3 1.2 .5 .49
0.8 Jock Landale SAS .590 14.2 6.7 2.2 .5 2.0 1.0 .74
Any reason this top 5 should not be all-Rookie 1st team?
Re: Rookies 2022
Posted: Thu Mar 17, 2022 12:08 am
by Crow
DARKO projection has Jones 1, Barnes 2, Mobley 7, Cunningham 13, Wagner 17, Giddey 26. These ranks do not have a minutes minimum. Impose one and these names would have higher ranks.
I didn't check the other metrics. While the votes probably fall in line with your ranks, I think it could be argued on Cunningham, Wagner and Giddey. If one wanted to argue.
Yeah performance and projection are different but DARKO allows a quick rookie sort and I wanted to see what it said.
Plausible candidates for final 2 first team spots would include Jones and then Jackson, Reaves, Grimes and Kuminga.
Maybe Jones gets in. Others could be close or really not depending on voter research effort.
How did Reaves score? Not on your list.
Re: Rookies 2022
Posted: Thu Mar 17, 2022 10:23 pm
by Mike G
Reaves was next up, just missed. Since it expanded to 30 players, I didn't feel like stretching it further.
I don't believe in arbitrary "minutes minimum". You contribute by playing minutes and being pretty good in those minutes: a*b
Would anyone really take Herb Jones over the rest?
Re: Rookies 2022
Posted: Sat Apr 16, 2022 12:29 pm
by Mike G
126 Rookies totaled 83 eWins -- East 45 - 38 West
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eWin per36 rates tm Eff% Sco Reb Ast Stl TO Blk e484
5.9 Scottie Barnes Tor .545 15.0 7.9 3.0 1.1 1.9 .8 1.08
5.8 Evan Mobley Cle .541 15.7 9.1 2.3 .9 2.1 1.8 1.20
4.8 Franz Wagner Orl .552 16.4 5.1 2.8 1.1 1.8 .5 .95
4.1 Cade Cunningham Det .500 16.1 6.1 5.0 1.4 4.1 .8 .94
3.0 Alperen Şengün Hou .540 13.3 9.0 3.3 1.5 3.4 1.6 .96
2.9 Josh Giddey OKC .475 11.7 8.4 5.9 1.0 3.7 .4 .82
2.9 Jalen Green Hou .540 16.4 3.8 2.3 .8 2.3 .3 .65
2.9 Jonathan Kuminga GSW .587 19.7 6.8 1.6 .8 2.1 .6 1.17
2.8 Herbert Jones NOP .564 10.7 4.8 2.1 1.9 1.6 .9 .57
2.7 Bones Hyland Den .551 16.8 5.0 4.0 1.0 2.2 .5 1.00
eWin per36 rates tm Eff% Sco Reb Ast Stl TO Blk e484
2.7 Deni Avdija Was .529 10.6 7.4 2.3 1.1 1.5 .8 .65
2.3 Chris Duarte Ind .532 14.3 5.5 2.1 1.4 2.1 .2 .71
2.1 Omer Yurtseven Mia .539 13.8 14.8 2.1 .9 2.0 1.0 1.45
1.7 Ayo Dosunmu Chi .591 11.0 3.7 3.4 1.0 1.8 .5 .39
1.7 Davion Mitchell Sac .486 11.4 2.8 4.1 1.0 1.9 .4 .39
1.6 Jose Alvarado NOP .515 11.4 4.2 5.0 2.7 1.6 .3 .93
1.6 Isaiah Jackson Ind .594 17.8 9.9 .5 1.7 2.6 3.3 1.43
1.6 Terry Taylor Ind .648 15.5 8.6 1.6 .7 1.1 .4 1.08
1.6 Trendon Watford Por .580 13.0 7.9 2.5 1.0 1.7 1.1 .88
1.5 Cam Thomas Brk .513 14.2 4.6 1.8 1.0 1.6 .2 .61
eWin per36 rates tm Eff% Sco Reb Ast Stl TO Blk e484
1.5 Tre Mann OKC .497 13.6 4.1 1.9 1.2 1.8 .3 .52
1.5 Corey Kispert Was .582 11.9 4.1 1.3 .7 1.0 .4 .39
1.4 Jeremiah R-Earl OKC .521 10.6 8.4 1.3 .9 1.3 .5 .63
1.4 Josh Christopher Hou .527 12.1 4.7 3.0 1.8 2.9 .3 .50
1.3 Jalen Suggs Orl .448 12.0 4.5 4.7 1.8 4.0 .5 .47
1.2 Day'Ron Sharpe Brk .584 16.6 13.8 1.2 .9 2.6 1.3 1.45
1.1 Austin Reaves LAL .589 10.4 4.6 2.1 .7 1.0 .5 .37
1.0 Trey Murphy NOP .552 11.7 5.9 1.2 .8 .6 .3 .58
1.0 Ziaire Williams Mem .555 12.5 3.4 1.4 .8 1.1 .3 .35
1.0 Jock Landale SAS .590 14.3 7.3 1.9 .6 1.7 .8 .80
Re: Rookies 2022
Posted: Sun Apr 17, 2022 1:51 am
by Crow
Giddey with the worst efficiency in group except for Suggs. Neither was much of a surprise to me.
Best sophomore? Probably more than a 2 man race.