Does anyone know of any basketball programs that rely heavily on APBRmetrics? I coach a high school team and track some of these stats.....probably incorrectly but regardless I would love to learn more and also write about it a bit on my website.
Any info would be greatly appreciated!
Coaches using APBRmetrics
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Most of the NBA teams who are doing statistical analysis in some form as a distinct function (by in-house full-time staff, intern, or consultant) are listed at nbastuffer.com.
I don't think I've ever seen a survey of college teams with some heightened level of modern / advanced statistical analysis. One member here did statistical analysis for one of the top teams in college basketball in the past. I don't know if he'd be willing to talk about what he knows about which other programs were doing anything notable or not though. It should be more widespread but I don't know if it is. Probably not by the standards that many here would apply to "statistical analysis" or "advanced statistical analysis" and by what I hear and don't hear from the college game.
Not that it matters much but I've never particularly liked the term APBRmetrics and only a few people outside of this forum use the term. There are some points most people agree on for statistical analysis (per possession, basic shooting / scoring efficiency, the value of seeing the 4 Factors) and some they don't (Adjusted +/-, defensive crediting, assists, defensive rebounds, the utility of lineup performance data under generally small sample sizes, etc.). I wouldn't get hung up on that label. It may be pretty much a foreign language to many coaches but maybe it could be made less foreign or less difficult to grasp adequately.
Over time a handful of coaches (current & past, high school and college) have wandered in and made a post or a few then went silent. Maybe if a few coaches started talking at once something might develop.
If there is going to be better more sustained discussion, the effort from both sides will need to greater. The coaches will have to read more of the stuff here (people aren't that energetic about explaining the basics over and over when there are resources out there for that including the "A Starting Point" article from a few years ago. http://www.bepress.com/jqas/vol3/iss3/1/
The folks here probably need to read more at coaching sites, like yours and others. There needs to be more identification of what coaches are and are not currently doing and then an examination of what they will and will not listen to or support or start doing themselves. That could be done here (if more coaches were to be directed here and actually came and participated) or maybe it could be at your site if you were to decide to try to be the bridge, the conversation sustainer. I appreciate the interest you can shown so far. I and / others might go to another site and participate if there was sufficient sign of real interest, grounded interest, based on reading what is already here and wanting to discuss it in detail and try implementing and evaluating various approaches / tools.
I don't think I've ever seen a survey of college teams with some heightened level of modern / advanced statistical analysis. One member here did statistical analysis for one of the top teams in college basketball in the past. I don't know if he'd be willing to talk about what he knows about which other programs were doing anything notable or not though. It should be more widespread but I don't know if it is. Probably not by the standards that many here would apply to "statistical analysis" or "advanced statistical analysis" and by what I hear and don't hear from the college game.
Not that it matters much but I've never particularly liked the term APBRmetrics and only a few people outside of this forum use the term. There are some points most people agree on for statistical analysis (per possession, basic shooting / scoring efficiency, the value of seeing the 4 Factors) and some they don't (Adjusted +/-, defensive crediting, assists, defensive rebounds, the utility of lineup performance data under generally small sample sizes, etc.). I wouldn't get hung up on that label. It may be pretty much a foreign language to many coaches but maybe it could be made less foreign or less difficult to grasp adequately.
Over time a handful of coaches (current & past, high school and college) have wandered in and made a post or a few then went silent. Maybe if a few coaches started talking at once something might develop.
If there is going to be better more sustained discussion, the effort from both sides will need to greater. The coaches will have to read more of the stuff here (people aren't that energetic about explaining the basics over and over when there are resources out there for that including the "A Starting Point" article from a few years ago. http://www.bepress.com/jqas/vol3/iss3/1/
The folks here probably need to read more at coaching sites, like yours and others. There needs to be more identification of what coaches are and are not currently doing and then an examination of what they will and will not listen to or support or start doing themselves. That could be done here (if more coaches were to be directed here and actually came and participated) or maybe it could be at your site if you were to decide to try to be the bridge, the conversation sustainer. I appreciate the interest you can shown so far. I and / others might go to another site and participate if there was sufficient sign of real interest, grounded interest, based on reading what is already here and wanting to discuss it in detail and try implementing and evaluating various approaches / tools.
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Hey,
I didn't want you to think I abandoned the stat thing yet. I've been reading up on implementing these stats with my high school team. Still choking down the paper you recommended. I also passed it on to my old man because he is a retired QA guy so it probably makes more sense to him. Additionally, he is my stat keeper.
I am going to write a blog series once our season starts about the usefulness of these stats and how they helped and/or hurt us. Additionally, I'm just starting to put together an advanced stats forum on HoopCoach.org. Frankly the forum kind of sucks right now but I am going to introduce it to coaches via our newsletter in the next couple days. Please feel free to check it out and maybe give us some direction.
Thanks!
I didn't want you to think I abandoned the stat thing yet. I've been reading up on implementing these stats with my high school team. Still choking down the paper you recommended. I also passed it on to my old man because he is a retired QA guy so it probably makes more sense to him. Additionally, he is my stat keeper.
I am going to write a blog series once our season starts about the usefulness of these stats and how they helped and/or hurt us. Additionally, I'm just starting to put together an advanced stats forum on HoopCoach.org. Frankly the forum kind of sucks right now but I am going to introduce it to coaches via our newsletter in the next couple days. Please feel free to check it out and maybe give us some direction.
Thanks!
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I find it kind of funny that the site says "LinkedIn for basketball coaches". I mean, that's clearly what it is, but there are few sites that are so explicit.
And this is really OT anyway, but isn't LinkedIn really just Facebook for business networking, as opposed to personal/social? Seems like everything these days is Facebook for something or other.
And this is really OT anyway, but isn't LinkedIn really just Facebook for business networking, as opposed to personal/social? Seems like everything these days is Facebook for something or other.
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Good luck with your blog series about learning additional stats and ways to use them to assist coaching. If it helps you then it is a success. If it interests and helps other coaches even more so.
I posted a reply to one of your posts at your forum. I make no guarantees about more. But you have the option of asking questions here or posting a draft post here and seeing if you get any response that might help you refine the post or improve the possible discussion of them at your site.
I posted a reply to one of your posts at your forum. I make no guarantees about more. But you have the option of asking questions here or posting a draft post here and seeing if you get any response that might help you refine the post or improve the possible discussion of them at your site.