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Re: Trivia

Post by Mike G » Tue Jan 22, 2019 11:32 pm

Last night, Klay Thompson had 44 points in just 27 minutes of play.
However this game does not make the list of most points in fewest minutes.

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who     yr  Min  Pts  FGA  FTA    TS%
Wilt    62   48  100   63   32   .649
Kobe    06   42   81   46   20   .739
Gervin  78   33   63   49   20   .545
Klay    16   29   60   33   11   .793
Klay    18   27   52   29    2   .870

Ewing   88   26   41   24    6   .770
Floyd   91   22   40   25    7   .712
Dailey  86   21   38   19   18   .706
Kiki    88   20   36   14   15   .874
Durant  19   19   30   13    7   .933

who     yr  Min  Pts  FGA  FTA    TS%
S Jones 61   18   28   18    6   .678
Isaiah  13   16   26   13    2   .937
Monroe  80   15   25   12    5   .880
H James 97   10   24   10    3  1.060

Klay *  19   27   44   20    0  1.100
If not for an earlier 52 in 27 minutes, last night's game (*) would make the list.
April 15, 1997: After a 12 point 3rd quarter, the Hawks trail the Nets by 18. Enter Henry James; Atl wins by 9.
Above James, only Klay (60/29) and Wilt (100/48) had more than 2 pts/min.

Klay just misses the list further down, also. He had a 25/16 back in 2015.

That was Earl Monroe's next-to-last game -- a loss to the Celtics, for whom Pete Maravich scored >15 for the last time.

I do not know how to search for best TS% x points

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Re: Trivia

Post by Mike G » Wed Jan 30, 2019 11:22 pm

Last night, the Pelicans were without Anthony Davis; but they beat the Rockets in Houston, and Jrue Holiday had 6 blocked shots.
Guards (and G-F) with 6+ blocks in a game:

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G w 6 blk   mo-yr    tm  opp
D Johnson   01-77   Sea  Bos
M Jordan    12-86   Chi  Sea
J Rose      02-96   Den  Bos
D Christie  03-97   Tor  Chi
K Gill      11-97   NJN  Mia
V Carter    03-99   Tor  Chi
D Christie  02-00   Tor  Chi
D Green     03-18   SAS  NOP
J Holiday   01-19   NOP  Hou
Christie had 7 in the 2nd one.
DJ, Gill, and Holiday are listed as G, the others as G-F.
Jordan is the only other who was on the road.
Holiday had 300 blk in 635 career games, or .47 Blk/G -- now .48

Notice one each season from '96 thru 2000. Only 2 in the previous 20 years, and 18 years to the next one.

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Re: Trivia

Post by xkonk » Thu Jan 31, 2019 1:59 am

Mike G wrote:
Wed Jan 30, 2019 11:22 pm
Last night, the Pelicans were without Anthony Davis; but they beat the Rockets in Houston, and Jrue Holiday had 6 blocked shots.
Guards (and G-F) with 6+ blocks in a game:

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G w 6 blk   mo-yr    tm  opp
D Johnson   01-77   Sea  Bos
M Jordan    12-86   Chi  Sea
J Rose      02-96   Den  Bos
D Christie  03-97   Tor  Chi
K Gill      11-97   NJN  Mia
V Carter    03-99   Tor  Chi
D Christie  02-00   Tor  Chi
D Green     03-18   SAS  NOP
J Holiday   01-19   NOP  Hou
Christie had 7 in the 2nd one.
DJ, Gill, and Holiday are listed as G, the others as G-F.
Jordan is the only other who was on the road.
Holiday had 300 blk in 635 career games, or .47 Blk/G -- now .48

Notice one each season from '96 thru 2000. Only 2 in the previous 20 years, and 18 years to the next one.
The Poisson distribution is certainly too simple, but using that to calculate the chances that someone with .47 blocks per game would get 6 in a game is something like 9 x 10 ^ -6. Or, if you multiply it by his 635 games, there's a half a percent chance it would happen.

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Re: Trivia

Post by Crow » Thu Jan 31, 2019 4:40 pm

5 of the 6 blocks were on Harden. But he got his 30 plus (37) points. Took 40 possessions to do it. No win this time.

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Re: Trivia

Post by Mike G » Thu Jan 31, 2019 8:15 pm

... there's a half a percent chance it would happen.
So about one in 200 players would have such an anomaly, in a given stat, of players with around 10 seasons?
With some 10 stat categories, it could be one in 20-ish for some statistic?

Anthony Davis has several games this year with 5 blocks, but none with more. He averages 2.6.
Blk-#
5 - 6
4 - 6
3 - 8
2 - 8
1 - 11
0 - 2

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Re: Trivia

Post by xkonk » Fri Feb 01, 2019 1:43 am

Mike G wrote:
Thu Jan 31, 2019 8:15 pm
... there's a half a percent chance it would happen.
So about one in 200 players would have such an anomaly, in a given stat, of players with around 10 seasons?
With some 10 stat categories, it could be one in 20-ish for some statistic?

Anthony Davis has several games this year with 5 blocks, but none with more. He averages 2.6.
Blk-#
5 - 6
4 - 6
3 - 8
2 - 8
1 - 11
0 - 2
Yeah, of players with ~635 games and some stat with an average of ~.5, you'd see 6 of that stat in some game in about 1 in 200.

With an average of 2.6 (and again ignoring that the Poisson is too simple), Davis has about a 3% chance of 6 blocks in any given game. He's probably overdue.

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Re: Trivia

Post by Mike G » Fri Feb 01, 2019 3:55 pm

After his rookie season, AD has averaged 2.5 Blk/G
He's had 6 or more on 23 occasions; over 387 games, that's 6%

In those 23 games, he avg'd 38 min. Over the whole 6 years, 36 mpg.
Maybe these events are not randomly distributed?
Maybe Harden was just sluggish and half a step slow, the referee crew was unsympathetic, so Holiday pounced on that?

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Re: Trivia

Post by xkonk » Fri Feb 01, 2019 11:59 pm

I mean, I'm sure they're not random. Davis (or anyone) will get more blocks when they play against someone who tends to have their shot blocked, for example. But they could still be modeled with some 'random' distribution. I would guess blocks and other things are overdispersed, so you should use something more like a negative binomial instead of a Poisson. But you would need to know more than just the mean to use a fancier distribution.

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Re: Trivia

Post by Mike G » Sun Feb 10, 2019 10:48 pm

This year, Lou Williams (LAC) ranks 8th in FT made, even though he hasn't started a game. With 281 thru 57 team games, he's on pace to get 407 for the season.
Most 1-season FT by a player coming off the bench:

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. non starter     yr    FT
Detlef Schrempf  1991   431
Ricky Pierce     1991   420
Lou Williams     2017   399
John Drew        1984   377
Kobe Bryant      1998   360
Lou has 5 of the top 25 such seasons, presumably 6 after this year.
In his 14th season, with his 6th team, he's started just 109 of 912 games.
Career FT off the bench:

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. non starter    G     FT
Lou Williams    803   2930
Ricky Pierce    698   2235
Detlef Schrempf 612   2173
Jamal Crawford  876   2147
Manu Ginobili   708   1893
http://bkref.com/tiny/BK2pr
Since 1984 at least, the only players with more minutes off the bench are Jamal Crawford and Dell Curry; at #4 another 3-point guy, Jason Terry.

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Re: Trivia

Post by Mike G » Tue Feb 12, 2019 12:50 am

Cavs rookie Collin Sexton is 2nd among rookies in minutes played, after only Luka Doncic (Dal).
He's played all 56 games and started 46.
He's 4th in rookie scoring (14.8), 6th in assists (2.8), 1st in FT% (>60 attempts, .856), 2nd in 3FG% (>50 attempts, .400).

Somehow he's hit just 41% inside the arc, doesn't get to the line much, and sports a .490 TS%
His Usg% is 2nd on the team at 25.3, and his ORtg/DRtg is 96/121 -- this is Yikes! territory.
That .79 ratio plus a Usage of 25%+ has been achieved before. The only player to do it for >1000 minutes in a season was rookie Emmanuel Mudiay, 3 years ago.

Right now, Sexton leads the NBA in negative Win Shares and VORP, and both by a good margin. He's on a pace to total -2.2 WS and -2.8 VORP.
Worst in the 3point era:

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- WS   player          yr   WS/48
-2.1  Emmanuel Mudiay 2016  -.049
-1.6  Jim Jackson     1993  -.081
-1.6  Sharone Wright  1997  -.076
-1.5  Michael Beasley 2013  -.047
-1.5  Adam Morrison   2007  -.030
-1.5  Collin Sexton   2019  -.044

VORP   Player          yr    BPM
-2.6  M Olowokandi    2000  -6.2
-2.1  John Amaechi    2001  -6.9
-2.1  Antonio Daniels 1998  -6.2
-2.1  Marcus Fizer    2001  -7.2
-2.0  Terry Davis     1993  -5.2
-2.0  Adam Morrison   2007  -5.5
-1.9  Allan Houston   1994  -6.8
-1.9  Norm Nixon      1989  -7.8
-1.9  Sharone Wright  1997  -9.5
-1.9  Collin Sexton   2019  -6.4
http://bkref.com/tiny/X8MYr
Most or all of these guys were with terrible teams and got big minutes. In Sexton's case, nobody else seems to play point guard for the Cavs, other than Delly now.
Both Kandi and Mudiay "records" are extreme outliers, and both are threatened.

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Re: Trivia

Post by Mike G » Tue Feb 12, 2019 11:38 am

Update on Lou Williams: He scored 45 last night, including 15-15 FT.
Four players are known to have scored more off the bench. Nick Anderson had 50 in 1993, one of 3 games he didn't start.
Mike Dunleavy Sr hit 48 in 1980; Darius Miles got 47 in '05.
And Larry Bird had 47 in next-to-last game of the 1985 season. Boston was resting all starters, supposedly. But they went into overtime, losing to the other best team in the East, the Bucks.
http://bkref.com/tiny/kILX1

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Re: Trivia

Post by Mike G » Sat Mar 09, 2019 3:25 am

A while back I was looking at 'best shooters', and I was struck by these two: John Paxson 1991, who started and played 24 mpg for the Bulls; and Donald Royal '93, who came off the bench for Orlando, 21 mpg. Both averaged about 9 points, with these shooting% --

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player      FG%  3fg%  2fg%  eFG%   FT%    TS%
Paxson'91  .548  .438  .571  .585  .829   .596
Royal '93  .496  .000  .500  .496  .815   .627
http://bkref.com/tiny/3hN9w
Note Paxson shoots better from everyplace. And TS%, which did not exist at the time, surely needed to.
Per 100 poss., Pax took 15 FGA and 1 FTA, while Royal got 12 and 12.

Thru 1993, just 30 players had ever hit .625 TS% with >700 points scored.
# - .625 TS%
8 times - Artis Gilmore
5 - Barkley
4 - Dantley, Donaldson
3 - Cedric Maxwell, Darryl Dawkins, Steve Johnson, Cartwright
2 - Wilt, Twardzik*, Kareem, Brad Davis, Magic, McHale, Buck Williams, Daugherty
1 - Ruland, Natt, Banks, Pinckney, Stockton, Dan Schayes, Mark West, Mullin,
Karl Malone, Terry Porter, Parish, Royal, Kenny Smith
http://bkref.com/tiny/yjwRR

* Dave Twardzik did it in the ABA and NBA, only player besides Wilt before 1979.

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Re: Trivia

Post by Mike G » Sun Mar 10, 2019 3:54 am

After leading all players in playoff VORP for 8 straight years -- and 10 of the last 12 -- LeBron will miss this postseason.
Sometimes he's had more vorp than any 2 players for another team.

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year  LBJ   2team
2007  2.4   3.0 - Duncan, Ginobili
2009  2.9   4.2 - Kobe, Gasol
2011  2.3   2.4 - Dirk, Terry
2012  3.2   3.1 - Durant, Harden
2013  2.9   2.8 - Kawhi, Green
2014  2.4   3.3 - Westbrook, Durant
2015  2.7   3.8 - Curry, Green
2016  3.1   3.3 - Green, Curry
2017  2.5   3.5 - Curry,Green
2018  3.7   3.6 - Green,Durant
Total playoff vorp since 2006:

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vorp  2006-18   WS
33.1  LeBron   51.0
9.8   Wade     18.4
9.7   Durant   21.2
8.8   Paul     14.7
8.1   Curry    13.8
8.1   Duncan   18.1
8.0  Westbrook 10.5
7.8   Dr Green 12.0
7.6   Kobe     14.8
7.6   Harden   12.7
Maybe we should say, the playoffs will miss LeBron.

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Re: Trivia

Post by Crow » Sun Mar 10, 2019 11:57 pm

26 guys on 5 plus championship teams. 6 played this century. 12 were done playing before 1960.

On career BPM 5 of the top 10 for when it is calculated are active. Draymond Green is just outside and slipping. Harden, outside, might get in. Durant, further outside. Probably won't get in.

Only 9 guys with 10 plus 50 plus point games. Curry and / or Durant might get there.

By Game Score, 5 of the best 10 individual productions of last 35 years gave come in about last 3 years.

12 near certain or absolutely certain (by BRef) Hall of Famers are currently playing.

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Re: Trivia

Post by Crow » Mon Mar 11, 2019 10:04 pm

For players with 600 plus minutes this season, the clearcut lowest ts% belongs to Ntilikina, followed by Jonathan Simmons. Also very low : Knox, Stanley Johnson, Hollis-Jefferson, Hezonja, Rondo, Jamal Crawford, T Evans, Wiggins, Dunn...

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