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Re: Rookies 2024

Posted: Sat Dec 16, 2023 2:13 am
by Crow
EWins and BPM vary on some individuals.

BPM has 15 better than -2. Not sure what the equivalent level is on EWins but only 15 are better than 0.7.

Re: Rookies 2024

Posted: Mon Dec 18, 2023 8:18 pm
by Mike G
At 31% of the season, rookies total 56 projected eWins; West 38-18 East.

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e82    per36 rates    tm   Min   Eff%   Sco   Reb   Ast   Stl   TO   Blk   e484
8.7   Chet Holmgren  OKC   718  .627   20.5   9.5   2.3   1.0   2.3  3.2   1.71
7.9   V Wembanyama   SAS   732  .515   17.4  12.8   2.3   1.7   4.0  3.5   1.59
4.3   Dereck Lively  Dal   582  .719   13.2  10.8   1.2   1.1   1.7  2.2   1.09
4.1   Jaime Jaquez   Mia   727  .601   15.9   4.9   3.0   1.3   2.1   .2    .86
4.0  Ausar Thompson  Det   709  .506   10.4  10.8   2.3   1.2   2.3  1.6    .85

2.4   Marcus Sasser  Det   420  .601   14.8   3.6   4.1   1.5   1.8   .3    .86
2.3  Br. Podziemski  GSW   435  .543   12.0   8.0   3.5   1.3   2.3   .3    .82
2.3  Brandon Miller  Cha   705  .534   13.1   4.6   1.9    .8   1.8   .6    .45
1.9  Jordan Hawkins  NOP   632  .530   13.4   4.8   1.7    .5   1.2   .0    .49
1.9   Duop Reath     Por   250  .551   16.5   6.5   2.2   1.4   1.4   .7   1.09

e82    per36 rates    tm   Min   Eff%   Sco   Reb   Ast   Stl   TO   Blk   e484
1.8   Cason Wallace  OKC   528  .702   12.4   3.5   1.8   1.0    .8   .7    .49
1.8  Keyonte George  Uta   618  .492   11.8   4.2   5.3    .7   3.2   .2    .45
1.6   Craig Porter   Cle   216  .569   16.5   4.6   4.7   1.4   2.4  1.0   1.10
1.5  Sasha Vezenkov  Sac   297  .558   12.3   6.7   1.0   1.2    .8   .7    .70
1.4  Bilal Coulibaly Was   640  .625   10.7   5.2   1.5   1.5   2.2   .9    .33

1.1 Julian Strawther Den   330  .504   12.5   3.7   2.2   1.1    .8   .5    .55
1.1  Toumani Camara  Por   636  .499    8.3   6.6   1.2   1.3   1.5   .7    .26
.9   Trayce J-Davis  GSW   132  .588   13.8   8.8   1.9   1.3   2.1  2.3   1.01
.5   Anthony Black   Orl   448  .561    8.8   4.9   2.4    .7   1.7   .6    .17
.4   Andre Jackson   Mil   206  .724    9.8   6.1   2.4    .8   1.7   .0    .29
https://www.basketball-reference.com/le ... otals.html
The top 5 have furthered their separation from the rest of the pack, since previous update.
Victor has cut more than half his distance from Chet.

Re: Rookies 2024

Posted: Sat Dec 30, 2023 7:34 pm
by Mike G
With 3/8 of the season completed, rookies are headed to 59 total eWins.

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e82    per36 rates     tm   Eff%   Sco   Reb   Ast   Stl   TO   Blk   e484
9.3   Chet Holmgren   OKC  .637   22.0   9.2   2.4    .9   2.1  3.3   1.82
7.1   Vi. Wembanyama  SAS  .521   18.1  12.3   2.5   1.6   3.9  3.9   1.59
4.4   Jaime Jaquez    Mia  .596   16.2   5.1   2.7   1.3   2.0   .4    .87
3.5   Dereck Lively   Dal  .711   13.0  10.5   1.3    .9   1.8  2.1   1.01
3.5   Ausar Thompson  Det  .501   10.0  10.6   2.3   1.3   2.2  1.5    .79

3.0   Br. Podziemski  GSW  .559   12.5   8.3   3.8   1.5   2.2   .3    .94
2.3   Craig Porter    Cle  .543   15.0   5.8   5.6   1.5   2.1  1.1   1.21
2.1   Brandon Miller  Cha  .540   13.6   4.4   1.8    .8   2.0   .6    .44
2.1   Duop Reath      Por  .577   18.0   7.3   1.9   1.4   1.5   .8   1.23
1.8   Marcus Sasser   Det  .593   14.1   3.7   3.6   1.4   1.9   .4    .71

e82    per36 rates     tm   Eff%   Sco   Reb   Ast   Stl   TO   Blk   e484
1.8   Trayce J-Davis  GSW  .624   15.2  11.7   2.0    .9   1.9  2.2   1.35
1.8   Jordan Hawkins  NOP  .531   13.7   4.7   1.8    .5   1.2   .0    .51
1.5   Keyonte George  Uta  .483   11.7   4.2   5.4    .7   3.2   .2    .41
1.4   Cason Wallace   OKC  .644   11.0   3.4   2.0   1.0    .9   .7    .37
1.3   Sasha Vezenkov  Sac  .552   11.6   7.1   1.0   1.3    .9   .6    .66

1.2  Julian Strawther Den  .499   13.2   3.8   2.1   1.2   1.1   .5    .57
1.1   Toumani Camara  Por  .497    8.0   7.1   1.1   1.4   1.6   .7    .27
1.1  Bilal Coulibaly  Was  .616   10.1   5.2   1.6   1.2   2.0   .9    .26
1.0   Anthony Black   Orl  .589    9.3   5.1   2.6   1.1   1.8   .7    .29
0.8  Scoot Henderson  Por  .457   12.6   3.8   5.0    .8   4.1   .3    .25

Re: Rookies 2024

Posted: Sat Dec 30, 2023 9:06 pm
by Crow
Reath is a surprise. Not a prospect in college, took long way around

Re: Rookies 2024

Posted: Tue Jan 09, 2024 2:08 pm
by Mike G
At 43.5% of the season. All with >150 min.

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e82    per36 rates     tm   Eff%   Sco   Reb   Ast   Stl   TO   Blk  e484
8.6   Chet Holmgren   OKC  .640   21.6   8.6   2.5    .9   2.2  3.1  1.69
7.3 Victor Wembanyama SAS  .534   19.2  12.1   2.5   1.5   4.0  4.0  1.66
4.0   Jaime Jaquez    Mia  .588   15.6   4.7   2.7   1.4   2.0   .3   .78
3.5   Dereck Lively   Dal  .703   13.1  10.4   1.4   1.0   1.6  2.1  1.05
3.2   Br. Podziemski  GSW  .559   12.3   8.3   3.8   1.5   1.9   .3   .95

3.2   Ausar Thompson  Det  .493    9.4  10.6   2.3   1.3   2.2  1.5   .76
2.4   Trayce J-Davis  GSW  .667   16.7  11.2   2.0    .8   2.0  2.0  1.37
2.2   Craig Porter    Cle  .542   15.2   6.2   5.7   1.5   2.5  1.1  1.17
2.2   Duop Reath      Por  .584   17.5   8.1   1.8   1.2   1.8   .9  1.19
2.0   Brandon Miller  Cha  .527   13.3   4.5   1.8    .8   1.9   .6   .43

e82    per36 rates     tm   Eff%   Sco   Reb   Ast   Stl   TO   Blk  e484
1.8   Jordan Hawkins  NOP  .532   14.3   4.7   1.8    .5   1.2   .2   .56
1.8   Marcus Sasser   Det  .601   14.6   3.8   3.8   1.4   1.8   .4   .78
1.7   Cason Wallace   OKC  .649   11.7   3.3   2.0   1.1    .8   .7   .45
1.5   Keyonte George  Uta  .499   12.4   4.3   5.0    .6   3.0   .1   .42
1.3   Sasha Vezenkov  Sac  .555   11.9   7.2   1.0   1.3    .9   .6   .70

1.2   Toumani Camara  Por  .495    7.9   7.3   1.1   1.5   1.7   .7   .29
1.1  Julian Strawther Den  .496   12.7   3.9   2.2   1.2   1.2   .5   .54
.9   Bilal Coulibaly  Was  .578    9.3   5.1   1.6   1.3   2.0  1.0   .21
.8   Amen Thompson    Hou  .471   10.3   8.0   3.6   1.7   2.4   .3   .69
.7   Scoot Henderson  Por  .455   12.0   3.8   5.2    .7   4.1   .3   .21

e82   per36 rates      tm   Eff%   Sco   Reb   Ast   Stl   TO   Blk  e484
.6   Anthony Black    Orl  .567    8.6   4.8   2.6   1.1   1.8   .6   .18
.6   Nick Smith       Cha  .612   15.8   3.2   1.6    .3   1.7  1.1   .50
.5  Olivier-M Prosper Dal  .464    8.7   8.3   2.4    .4    .7   .3   .54
.4   Kris Murray      Por  .470    6.8   6.0   1.5   2.4    .8   .5   .40
.3   Andre Jackson    Mil  .661    8.7   5.9   2.4   1.1   1.7   .0   .25

.2  Taylor Hendricks  Uta  .492    8.9   5.9    .8   1.6   1.6  1.2   .30
.1   Kobe Brown       LAC  .500    6.7   5.3   1.6    .7    .6   .4   .11
.1   Vasilije Micić   OKC  .407    6.1   1.8   6.8   1.2   2.3   .6   .10
-.2  Gradey Dick      Tor  .437    7.1   3.4   1.7    .9   1.8   .0  -.21
Rooks now looking at 58.5 total eWins on the year. W 41.5 - 17 E

Re: Rookies 2024

Posted: Fri Jan 19, 2024 2:56 pm
by Mike G
Halfway thru the season. Rookies w 200+ minutes:

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e82    per36 rates     tm   Eff%   Sco   Reb   Ast   Stl   TO   Blk  e484
8.6   Chet Holmgren   OKC  .631   21.4   8.3   2.7    .8   2.1  3.0  1.67
7.8 Victor Wembanyama SAS  .545   21.1  12.2   2.6   1.4   4.0  3.9  1.83
4.1   Jaime Jaquez    Mia  .592   16.3   4.8   2.7   1.3   2.0   .3   .84
3.5   Dereck Lively   Dal  .716   13.3  10.8   1.4   1.0   1.7  1.9  1.08
3.1   Ausar Thompson  Det  .491    9.1  10.5   2.1   1.4   2.0  1.4   .76

3.0   Br. Podziemski  GSW  .545   11.5   8.1   3.6   1.4   1.8   .2   .86
2.6   Trayce J-Davis  GSW  .675   17.1  10.4   1.9    .9   1.8  2.0  1.39
2.4   Duop Reath      Por  .578   16.2   8.2   1.6   1.1   1.6   .9  1.10
2.3   Jordan Hawkins  NOP  .566   16.0   4.6   1.8    .6   1.2   .1   .70
2.0   Craig Porter    Cle  .543   15.0   5.8   5.4   1.4   2.4  1.0  1.11

e82    per36 rates     tm   Eff%   Sco   Reb   Ast   Stl   TO   Blk  e484
1.8   Keyonte George  Uta  .511   13.3   4.3   5.0    .7   2.9   .1   .50
1.7   Brandon Miller  Cha  .516   12.8   4.4   1.9    .9   1.9   .6   .40
1.5   Cason Wallace   OKC  .629   11.0   3.5   1.8   1.1    .8   .8   .41
1.5   Marcus Sasser   Det  .575   13.0   3.6   4.1   1.3   1.9   .5   .64
1.4   Cam Whitmore    Hou  .587   21.2   7.2    .6   1.8   1.6   .3  1.40

1.2   Sasha Vezenkov  Sac  .563   12.2   7.2    .9   1.4    .9   .6   .73
1.2   Toumani Camara  Por  .497    7.8   7.3   1.1   1.4   1.7   .8   .28
1.1   Amen Thompson   Hou  .500   11.4   7.7   3.3   2.0   2.6   .5   .77
.9   Bilal Coulibaly  Was  .564    8.8   5.2   1.7   1.2   1.8  1.0   .22
.9  Julian Strawther  Den  .496   12.1   3.8   2.1   1.1   1.1   .4   .47

e82    per36 rates     tm   Eff%   Sco   Reb   Ast   Stl   TO   Blk  e484
.8   Scoot Henderson  Por  .446   12.0   4.1   5.0    .8   4.2   .3   .21
.6   Anthony Black    Orl  .560    8.5   4.7   2.5   1.2   1.8   .7   .21
.4   Kris Murray      Por  .481    7.5   5.2   1.4   2.3   1.1   .3   .33
.4  Olivier-M Prosper Dal  .464    8.2   7.9   2.3    .4    .6   .3   .46
.4   Nick Smith       Cha  .545   12.7   3.8   1.9    .3   2.0   .7   .24

.4   Vasilije Micić   OKC  .517    9.0   2.0   5.9   1.1   1.8   .4   .33
.3   Andre Jackson    Mil  .629    7.8   6.5   2.3    .7   1.6   .3   .20
.0   Kobe Brown       LAC  .491    5.9   4.9   1.6    .7    .5   .4   .03
-.2   Gradey Dick     Tor  .447    6.9   3.1   2.1   1.0   1.8   .0  -.20
Total 60 projected wins on the year.

Re: Rookies 2024

Posted: Sat Jan 20, 2024 3:57 pm
by Crow
A. Black not up to the hype, yet.

Vezenkov, Coulibaly, Camara not really either.

Micic doing better lately. Hoping for a trade?

Re: Rookies 2024

Posted: Fri Feb 02, 2024 4:12 pm
by Mike G
Thru 58% of the season, 87 rookies have appeared.
Those with 250+ minutes:

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e82    per36 rates    tm   Eff%   Sco   Reb   Ast   Stl   TO   Blk  e484
8.5   Chet Holmgren  OKC  .620   20.2   8.7   2.5    .8   2.0  3.1  1.66
8.2   V Wembanyama   SAS  .550   21.8  12.2   2.7   1.4   4.2  4.0  1.92
3.7   Dereck Lively  Dal  .715   12.9  10.8   1.3   1.0   1.6  1.9  1.10
3.3   Jaime Jaquez   Mia  .582   15.1   4.7   2.6   1.3   2.0   .3   .75
3.1  Ausar Thompson  Det  .506    9.3  10.1   2.0   1.4   2.0  1.4   .76

2.8   B Podziemski   GSW  .545   11.1   7.9   3.4   1.2   1.8   .2   .77
2.5   Duop Reath     Por  .588   16.0   8.1   1.8   1.0   1.5   .9  1.13
2.5  Trayce J-Davis  GSW  .663   16.1  10.5   1.7    .9   1.7  2.0  1.37
2.4  Brandon Miller  Cha  .535   13.9   4.4   1.9    .9   1.8   .5   .52
2.2   Cam Whitmore   Hou  .585   21.5   7.7    .6   1.3   1.2   .5  1.50

e82    per36 rates    tm   Eff%   Sco   Reb   Ast   Stl   TO   Blk  e484
2.0  Jordan Hawkins  NOP  .559   14.7   4.8   1.7    .5   1.3   .1   .60
1.8   Craig Porter   Cle  .553   14.9   5.8   5.2   1.2   2.4   .9  1.07
1.7   Amen Thompson  Hou  .527   12.1   8.9   3.5   2.1   2.6   .7  1.03
1.7  Keyonte George  Uta  .519   13.3   4.1   4.6    .6   2.9   .1   .46
1.6   Marcus Sasser  Det  .581   13.6   3.4   4.1   1.2   1.9   .4   .69

1.6   Cason Wallace  OKC  .627   10.8   3.6   1.8   1.2    .8   .7   .44
1.3  Toumani Camara  Por  .498    7.7   7.5   1.2   1.6   1.7   .7   .33
1.2  Sasha Vezenkov  Sac  .574   12.4   7.2    .8   1.3    .9   .6   .75
1.1  Scoot Henderson Por  .467   12.9   4.1   4.7    .8   4.0   .3   .30
.9  Gregory Jackson  Mem  .582   16.1   6.3   1.2    .8   1.3  1.2   .94

e82    per36 rates    tm   Eff%   Sco   Reb   Ast   Stl   TO   Blk  e484
.8  Bilal Coulibaly  Was  .558    8.8   4.8   1.6   1.2   1.8  1.1   .19
.8   Anthony Black   Orl  .579    9.1   4.6   2.4   1.0   1.6   .7   .24
.7  Julian Strawther Den  .496   11.8   3.7   2.0   1.1   1.1   .4   .45
.4   Andre Jackson   Mil  .655    7.8   6.5   2.1    .8   1.4   .3   .23
.2   Kris Murray     Por  .461    6.6   5.2   1.2   2.1   1.3   .5   .19

.2   Ben Sheppard    Ind  .477    6.5   4.5   1.9   1.7    .6   .0   .21
.1   Vasilije Micić  OKC  .503    8.6   2.2   5.3   1.0   2.4   .3   .13
.1   Nick Smith      Cha  .547   11.4   3.4   1.8    .3   2.0   .5   .07
.0   Kobe Brown      LAC  .467    5.2   5.2   1.6    .7    .6   .4  -.04
.0   Gradey Dick     Tor  .473    7.4   3.8   2.1   1.1   1.6   .0  -.03
Total is 61 projected eWins for the year. West 44.6 - 16.3 East

Re: Rookies 2024

Posted: Fri Feb 02, 2024 7:13 pm
by Crow
I ranked G Dick pretty high on draft board but not N Smith or B Sheppard at all.

Clippers presumably bought into Kobe Brown partially based on 45% from 3 last season, over the 3 prior seasons of 25% and under. 29% so far this season.


A scout hired by NBA team last fall:

"8.29 - Ben Sheppard, Belmont

Belmont wing Ben Sheppard is definitely my kind of guy."


7.18 - Nick Smith, Arkansas

"...I’d expect the offensive production to be much more positive than it’s getting made out to be."


"3.5 - Anthony Black, Arkansas"

Still 22nd here.
23rd on my draft board.

Jackson-Davis, 57th in draft. 42nd to this new scout. 8th on performance to date here. Higher on BPM. 2nd on my draft board.

Podziemski, 19th in draft. 38th to new scout. 11th to me. 6th on performance to date here.

Jaquez, 18th in draft. 31st to new scout. 4th to me. 4th on performance here.

Cissoko taken 37th. 18th to new scout. Not in my top 60. 44th in draft class on BPM of 52 who have played. Tiny minutes but that can speak to quality / readiness. Similar story with Whitehead. And Hood-Schfino.

Scoot Henderson, drafted 2nd, 2nd to new scout. 15th to me. 19th on performance here. 41st on BPM.

Re: Rookies 2024

Posted: Sun Feb 11, 2024 4:44 pm
by Mike G
Season at 64%. Listing all who have played 300 min.

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e82    per36     tm   Eff%   Sco   Reb   Ast   Stl   TO   Blk  e484
8.5   Holmgren  OKC  .626   21.1   8.8   2.5    .8   2.0  3.1  1.66
7.7  Wembanyama SAS  .550   22.3  12.3   2.8   1.5   4.4  3.9  1.80
3.4   Lively    Dal  .715   13.8  10.8   1.3   1.0   1.6  1.9  1.12
3.3   Jaquez    Mia  .574   15.4   4.8   2.6   1.4   2.0   .3   .73
3.2  Podziemski GSW  .532   11.2   8.1   3.7   1.2   1.6   .2   .82

3.2   B Miller  Cha  .548   15.7   4.6   1.9   1.0   1.9   .6   .67
3.1 Au Thompson Det  .508    9.7  10.1   2.0   1.6   2.0  1.4   .77
2.6   Reath     Por  .601   17.1   8.0   1.8   1.0   1.5   .9  1.18
2.5   Whitmore  Hou  .584   23.5   7.4    .7   1.3   1.5   .4  1.57
2.4   J-Davis   GSW  .663   17.4  10.9   1.7    .9   1.8  2.1  1.43

e82    per36     tm   Eff%   Sco   Reb   Ast   Stl   TO   Blk  e484
2.1 Am Thompson Hou  .541   13.1   9.7   3.6   1.9   2.8   .8  1.07
1.9   Sasser    Det  .600   15.2   3.4   4.3   1.2   2.0   .4   .77
1.9  J Hawkins  NOP  .553   15.1   4.7   1.7    .6   1.3   .1   .61
1.8   K George  Uta  .527   14.1   4.3   4.6    .6   2.9   .1   .48
1.7   Wallace   OKC  .630   11.7   3.5   1.7   1.2    .8   .7   .46

1.6   C Porter  Cle  .551   15.3   5.9   5.2   1.2   2.4   .9  1.02
1.4   Camara    Por  .505    8.2   7.5   1.1   1.6   1.7   .7   .34
1.2  G Jackson  Mem  .553   16.9   6.4   1.2   1.1   1.5  1.1   .98
1.1   Vezenkov  Sac  .571   12.9   7.0    .8   1.3    .8   .5   .77
1.1  Henderson  Por  .473   13.6   4.3   4.7    .8   4.0   .3   .31

e82    per36     tm   Eff%   Sco   Reb   Ast   Stl   TO   Blk  e484
.7   Strawther  Den  .494   12.2   3.9   2.0   1.2   1.2   .4   .46
.7   A Black    Orl  .576    9.4   4.7   2.4   1.0   1.7   .7   .24
.6   Coulibaly  Was  .552    9.1   4.8   1.6   1.2   1.9  1.0   .14
.3   K Murray   Por  .496    7.4   5.2   1.4   2.0   1.3   .6   .23
.3   A Jackson  Mil  .621    7.5   6.4   2.1    .9   1.5   .3   .19

.3   G Dick     Tor  .521    9.6   3.8   2.0   1.2   1.4   .0   .17
.2   N Smith    Cha  .532   11.5   3.2   1.9    .5   1.9   .4   .10
.2   Sheppard   Ind  .483    7.1   4.1   1.7   1.5    .6   .1   .16
-.0  Micić      OKC  .493    8.1   2.2   5.5    .9   2.7   .3  -.04
-.3  Mensah     Cha  .485    2.7   7.1    .7    .7   1.5  1.5  -.25
63.3 total projected eWins

Risers and fallers in the last 9 days:

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e484+    rookies      pos   tm
.15   Brandon Miller   SF   Cha
.08   Marcus Sasser    PG   Det
.07   Cam Whitmore     SF   Hou
.06   Trayce J-Davis   PF   GSW
.05 Brandin Podziemski SG   GSW
.05   Duop Reath        C   Por
.04   Amen Thompson    SF   Hou
.04   GG Jackson       PF   Mem
.02   Cason Wallace    SG   OKC
.02   Sasha Vezenkov   PF   Sac
.02   Keyonte George   PG   Uta
.02   Dereck Lively     C   Dal
.01   Scoot Henderson  PG   Por
.01  Julian Strawther  SF   Den
.01   Toumani Camara   PF   Por
.01   Jordan Hawkins   SG   NOP
.01   Ausar Thompson   SF   Det
-.00  Anthony Black    PG   Orl
-.00  Chet Holmgren     C   OKC
-.02  Jaime Jaquez     SF   Mia
-.04  Andre Jackson    SG   Mil
-.05  Craig Porter     PG   Cle
-.05  Bilal Coulibaly  SF   Was
-.12 Victor Wembanyama  C   SAS

Re: Rookies 2024

Posted: Fri Mar 08, 2024 9:25 pm
by Mike G
With the season at 76%, rookies total 67 projected eWins. West 49-18 East.
30 have played at least 360 minutes:

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e82   per36 rates     tm   Eff%   Sco   Reb   Ast   Stl   TO   Blk  e484
9.1  Chet Holmgren   OKC  .635   21.0   9.0   2.6    .8   2.0  3.1  1.75
8.6   V Wembanyama   SAS  .560   22.1  12.5   3.2   1.7   4.4  4.4  1.97
3.6  Dereck Lively   Dal  .715   13.3  10.3   1.3   1.1   1.4  2.1  1.20
3.5  Ausar Thompson  Det  .520    9.9   9.3   2.0   1.6   1.9  1.4   .81
3.5  Brandon Miller  Cha  .544   15.8   4.6   2.0   1.1   2.1   .6   .71

3.2   Jaime Jaquez   Mia  .570   14.5   5.0   2.6   1.3   1.9   .2   .71
3.1   Br Podziemski  GSW  .532   10.9   7.8   4.0   1.2   1.7   .2   .77
3.0   Duop Reath     Por  .582   16.7   8.1   1.6   1.1   1.6  1.2  1.24
3.0  Trayce J-Davis  GSW  .680   18.2  10.8   1.9    .8   1.6  2.3  1.65
2.6   Cam Whitmore   Hou  .565   22.1   7.4    .8   1.2   1.9   .5  1.47

e82   per36 rates     tm   Eff%   Sco   Reb   Ast   Stl   TO   Blk  e484
2.6   Amen Thompson  Hou  .527   12.0  10.1   3.3   2.1   2.6  1.1  1.11
1.9  Toumani Camara  Por  .521    8.9   7.9   1.3   1.5   1.8   .7   .48
1.8   Cason Wallace  OKC  .621   11.4   3.7   1.8   1.4    .8   .7   .53
1.8  Jordan Hawkins  NOP  .539   14.7   4.7   1.7    .5   1.2   .2   .61
1.4  Keyonte George  Uta  .531   13.7   4.1   4.7    .7   2.9   .1   .37

1.4   Craig Porter   Cle  .548   14.6   6.1   5.4   1.3   2.3   .8   .97
1.4   Marcus Sasser  Det  .562   13.1   3.3   4.7   1.3   2.1   .3   .58
1.4   GG Jackson     Mem  .535   16.3   6.1   1.0    .8   1.8  1.0   .82
1.1  Sasha Vezenkov  Sac  .571   13.3   7.1    .9   1.3    .9   .5   .88
.8    Anthony Black  Orl  .565    9.3   5.0   2.4   1.1   1.7   .6   .28

e82   per36 rates     tm   Eff%   Sco   Reb   Ast   Stl   TO   Blk  e484
.8  Scoot Henderson  Por  .477   13.1   4.2   4.9    .8   3.9   .3   .23
.7    Ta Hendricks   Uta  .551    9.8   8.4    .9   1.2   1.5  1.1   .61
.7    Gradey Dick    Tor  .563   11.5   3.9   1.6   1.1   1.3   .0   .34
.6    Ju Strawther   Den  .485   11.9   3.7   2.2   1.1   1.2   .5   .48
.6    Ben Sheppard   Ind  .565    9.7   4.4   1.5   1.5    .5   .1   .49

.5    Kris Murray    Por  .483    7.4   5.8   1.6   1.9   1.4   .4   .29
.5   Bilal Coulibaly Was  .533    8.4   4.9   1.6   1.1   1.8  1.0   .11
.4    Andre Jackson  Mil  .615    7.5   6.5   2.4    .9   1.5   .3   .28
.2    Nick Smith     Cha  .532   11.7   3.2   2.0    .5   1.9   .4   .11
-.2  Vasilije Micić  OKC  .493    7.8   2.2   5.7    .9   2.8   .3  -.16
Other than the dueling #1's , this year is not a strong one for rookies.

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yr     eWin   rookie         tm
2023   5.9   Paolo Banchero  Orl
2023   5.5   Walker Kessler  Uta
2023   4.6   Jalen Williams  OKC
2023   62.3   total 
  
2022   5.9   Scottie Barnes  Tor
2022   5.8   Evan Mobley     Cle
2022   4.8   Franz Wagner    Orl
2022   4.1  Cade Cunningham  Det
2022   83     total  
 
2021   4.1  Anthony Edwards  Min
2021   3.9   LaMelo Ball     Cha
2021   3.8   Isaiah Stewart  Det
2021   72     total   

Re: Rookies 2024

Posted: Mon Mar 11, 2024 5:51 am
by Crow
Top 3 are centers and 5 of first 9.

First PG is 13th or 15th, depending on position assessment.

Re: Rookies 2024

Posted: Tue Mar 26, 2024 9:11 pm
by Mike G
Season at 87% and rookies projecting to 70 eWins total.
Those with 400+ minutes:

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e82    per36 rates    tm   Eff%   Sco   Reb   Ast   Stl   TO   Blk  e484
9.2  Chet Holmgren   OKC  .629   20.3   9.3   2.3    .8   1.9  2.9  1.79
8.8   V Wembanyama   SAS  .555   22.0  12.8   3.0   1.6   4.5  4.3  2.03
4.0   Dereck Lively  Dal  .723   14.1  10.6   1.2   1.1   1.5  2.1  1.35
3.7  Brandon Miller  Cha  .536   15.7   4.8   1.8   1.1   2.0   .6   .75
3.4  Trayce J-Davis  GSW  .685   17.4  10.6   1.8    .9   1.5  2.4  1.66

3.4   Amen Thompson  Hou  .558   13.7  10.3   2.9   2.0   2.4  1.1  1.29
3.1  Ausar Thompson  Det  .515    9.9   9.4   1.8   1.7   1.9  1.3   .83
3.1   Jaime Jaquez   Mia  .560   13.9   4.9   2.4   1.3   1.8   .3   .68
3.0   Duop Reath     Por  .586   16.4   7.6   1.4   1.0   1.7  1.1  1.19
2.9   Br Podziemski  GSW  .531   10.5   7.7   3.6   1.2   1.7   .3   .70

e82    per36 rates    tm   Eff%   Sco   Reb   Ast   Stl   TO   Blk  e484
2.4   Cam Whitmore   Hou  .561   21.5   7.5    .7   1.1   1.8   .6  1.48
2.0   GG Jackson     Mem  .558   17.9   5.8   1.1    .7   1.8   .8   .95
2.0  Toumani Camara  Por  .533    9.1   7.7   1.3   1.4   1.7   .7   .48
1.8   Cason Wallace  OKC  .614   11.2   3.8   1.7   1.5    .9   .8   .52
1.6  Jordan Hawkins  NOP  .533   14.4   4.6   1.6    .5   1.2   .2   .60

1.3   Craig Porter   Cle  .559   14.8   6.0   4.8   1.1   2.4   .8   .90
1.3  Keyonte George  Uta  .528   13.9   4.1   4.2    .7   3.1   .1   .33
1.1   Marcus Sasser  Det  .549   12.3   3.4   4.2   1.2   2.2   .3   .43
1.0  Sasha Vezenkov  Sac  .571   13.3   7.0    .8   1.3    .9   .5   .90
.9  Scoot Henderson  Por  .476   13.5   4.3   4.6    .9   4.0   .3   .27

e82   per36 rates     tm   Eff%   Sco   Reb   Ast   Stl   TO   Blk  e484
.9  Taylor Hendricks Uta  .542    9.4   8.5    .7   1.0   1.2  1.4   .65
.7   Kris Murray     Por  .482    7.8   6.1   1.6   1.6   1.4   .6   .31
.6   Anthony Black   Orl  .545    8.8   5.0   2.2   1.1   1.7   .7   .23
.6  Julian Strawther Den  .490   12.2   3.7   2.0   1.1   1.3   .5   .48
.6  Bilal Coulibaly  Was  .535    8.6   4.9   1.5   1.2   1.8  1.0   .14

.5   Ben Sheppard    Ind  .550    9.0   4.1   1.4   1.4    .5   .1   .35
.5   Gradey Dick     Tor  .536   11.0   3.7   1.6   1.0   1.5   .1   .22
.5   Jalen Wilson    Brk  .535    9.7   6.6   2.0    .5   1.0   .1   .42
.4   Andre Jackson   Mil  .619    7.4   6.9   2.3    .9   1.6   .3   .29
.3 * Vasilije Micić  Cha  .551   13.2   2.8   5.0   1.0   3.2   .2   .24
.1   Nick Smith      Cha  .511   10.9   3.2   1.9    .5   1.9   .4   .05
* - Micic was -.22 eW/484 with OKC; these are just his Hornets rates.

Using the b-r.com qualifying cutoff of ~1300 minutes, Wemby is 10th in the league in eW/484, 14th in PER, 19th in BPM, and (gulp) #137 in WS/48 -- of 188 qualified.
Holmgren is 18th in WS/48, 22nd in eW/484, 23rd in BPM, 24th in PER.
The wide gap in WS is almost certainly due to their being on nearly-worst vs nearly-best team in the league.
https://www.basketball-reference.com/le ... anced.html

Co-ROY have been chosen in 2000 (Francis and Brand) and 1995 (Hill and Kidd).

Previous ROY whose WS/48 were less than .080, none from winning teams:

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year    ROY        tm   W-L     PER   WS/48   BPM
2024  ? Wemby ?   SAS  16-56   22.6   .074    4.4
2023   Banchero   Orl  34-48   14.9   .047   -1.5
2015  A Wiggins   Min  16-66   13.9   .034   -2.4
2014 M C-Williams Phl  19-63   15.5   .026   -0.5
2009   D Rose     Chi  41-41   16.0   .078   -0.4
2008   K Durant   Sea  20-62   15.8   .040   -0.1
2004   L James    Cle  35-47   18.3   .078    1.7
1997   A Iverson  Phl  22-60   14.1   .032   -2.2
1996 D Stoudamire Tor  21-61   16.7   .072    0.1
1995   J Kidd     Dal  36-46   15.1   .066    1.2
1973   B McAdoo   Buf  21-61   16.8   .071
https://www.basketball-reference.com/awards/roy.html
Wembanyama is only 3rd or 4th on the Spurs in Win Shares but leads in VORP by a wide margin.
He has 3.0, and the rest of the team totals -1.1

Re: Rookies 2024

Posted: Tue Apr 09, 2024 11:48 pm
by Mike G
Using alternative "advanced" stats from b-r.com, converting to "wins". xyz is the avg of the last 3 columns.

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xyzW   rookie    Tm    min    PER   WS/48   BPM    pW    WS    bW
7.6   Holmgren  OKC   2327   20.2   .164    3.1   7.4   8.0   7.6
6.4  Wembanyama SAS   2039   23.1   .076    5.2   7.8   3.2   8.3
3.8  Jax-Davis  GSW   1036   21.9   .198    2.9   3.7   4.3   3.3
3.7   Lively    Dal   1294   18.1   .178    0.5   3.5   4.8   2.9
3.4  Podziemski GSW   1870   12.9   .092   -0.1   2.9   3.6   3.8

3.3  AmThompson Hou   1240   17.6   .135    1.5   3.2   3.5   3.3
3.0   Wallace   OKC   1614   12.0   .106   -0.2   2.2   3.6   3.2
3.0   Jaquez    Mia   2008   12.7   .081   -2.1   3.1   3.4   2.5
2.1   Miller    Cha   2301   12.8   .011   -2.7   3.6    .5   2.3
2.1   Reath     Por   1144   14.7   .089   -1.2   2.3   2.1   1.8

xyzW   rookie    Tm    min    PER   WS/48   BPM    pW    WS    bW
2.0  AuThompson Det   1583   12.8   .051   -2.2   2.5   1.7   1.9
1.8   Camara    Por   1739   10.6   .054   -3.1   1.9   2.0   1.5
1.6   Whitmore  Hou    786   16.8   .075    0.1   1.9   1.2   1.6
1.4   Porter    Cle    638   15.4   .099    0.4   1.4   1.3   1.4
1.4   Jackson   Mem   1085   13.3   .045   -2.3   1.8   1.0   1.2

1.2   Sasser    Det   1228   11.5   .033   -2.7   1.6    .8   1.2
1.2   Hawkins   NOP   1158   10.4   .055   -2.9   1.2   1.3   1.1
1.1   Black     Orl   1135    8.4   .067   -2.9    .7   1.6   1.0
0.9   Vezenkov  Sac    489   13.8   .101   -0.6    .9   1.0    .9
0.9  Hendricks  Uta    752   11.1   .056   -2.5    .9    .9    .8

xyzW   rookie    Tm    min    PER   WS/48   BPM    pW    WS    bW
0.8   George    Uta   1911   10.4  -.008   -4.4   2.0   -.3    .6
0.7  Coulibaly  Was   1715    8.9   .010   -4.2   1.2    .4    .7
0.7   Murray    Por   1180    9.1   .023   -3.5    .9    .6    .8
0.7   Micić    OkCha  1102   11.2   .021   -4.3   1.3    .5    .4
0.7   Wilson    Brk    580   11.0   .079   -2.7    .7   1.0    .6

0.6   Jackson   Mil    542    8.9   .086   -3.4    .4   1.0    .4
0.5   Sheppard  Ind    747    8.1   .047   -3.5    .4    .7    .5
0.5   Walker    Ind    328   11.3   .049    0.0    .4    .3    .7
0.4   Jemison  MeWas   434   12.3   .073   -5.3    .6    .7    .0
0.4  Evbuomwan DetMem  367    9.8   .070   -3.0    .3    .5    .3

xyzW   rookie    Tm    min    PER   WS/48   BPM    pW    WS    bW
0.3   Dick      Tor   1174    8.9   .008   -5.6    .8    .2   -.2
0.2  Strawther  Den    542    8.7   .020   -5.7    .4    .2   -.1
0.1   Brown     LAC    308    6.5   .044   -4.3    .1    .3    .1
0.1   Phillips  Chi    323    7.0   .029   -5.3    .1    .2    .0
0.0   Rupert    Por    505    6.6   .005   -6.3    .1    .1   -.2

-0.1 Sensabaugh Uta    490    8.0  -.036   -5.8    .2   -.4   -.1
-0.1   Mensah   Cha    307    5.1   .024   -8.9    .0    .2   -.4
-0.2   Smith    Cha    663    7.4  -.042   -6.2    .2   -.6   -.2
-0.4  Henderson Por   1652    9.2  -.051   -6.2   1.3  -1.8   -.6
These are all with 300+ minutes, with 3-4 games to go.

Re: Rookies 2024

Posted: Sun Apr 21, 2024 3:51 am
by Mike G
All with 100+ minutes.

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eW    per36 rates    tm   Min   Eff%   Sco   Reb   Ast   Stl   TO   Blk  e484
9.1  Vi Wembanyama  SAS  2106  .556   22.5  12.6   3.1   1.6   4.4  4.3  2.09
8.6  Chet Holmgren  OKC  2413  .622   20.1   9.6   2.1    .8   2.0  2.8  1.73
3.9  Amen Thompson  Hou  1388  .565   14.2  10.7   3.1   2.0   2.3  1.0  1.36
3.9  Trayce J-Davis GSW  1130  .678   17.6  10.9   1.8    .9   1.6  2.4  1.66
3.8  Brandon Miller Cha  2383  .547   16.5   4.7   1.8   1.1   2.0   .6   .78

3.4  Dereck Lively  Dal  1294  .718   14.1  10.4   1.2   1.1   1.4  2.1  1.28
3.2   Jaime Jaquez  Mia  2113  .567   14.6   5.0   2.5   1.3   1.9   .3   .73
3.1  Br Podziemski  GSW  1968  .536   10.9   7.8   3.5   1.1   1.6   .3   .76
2.9   Duop Reath    Por  1214  .566   16.4   7.8   1.4   1.0   1.5  1.1  1.16
2.7   Cam Whitmore  Hou   880  .554   21.6   7.4   1.0   1.2   1.9   .7  1.49

eW     11-20         tm   Min   Eff%   Sco   Reb   Ast   Stl   TO   Blk  e484
2.5  Ausar Thompson Det  1583  .515   10.3   9.3   1.8   1.6   1.9  1.3   .78
2.5   GG Jackson    Mem  1233  .547   18.3   5.9   1.3    .8   1.9   .7   .99
1.9  Cason Wallace  OKC  1692  .609   11.7   3.9   1.8   1.6   1.0   .8   .55
1.7  Toumani Camara Por  1739  .541    9.5   7.5   1.3   1.4   1.7   .7   .46
1.5  Jordan Hawkins NOP  1160  .528   14.6   4.6   1.6    .6   1.2   .2   .62

1.4  Keyonte George Uta  2023  .526   14.1   3.9   4.0    .7   3.3   .1   .33
1.4 Scoot Henderson Por  1765  .483   14.3   4.2   4.8   1.0   4.3   .3   .37
1.3  Marcus Sasser  Det  1351  .538   13.0   3.4   4.2   1.2   2.4   .3   .48
1.3   Craig Porter  Cle   649  .557   14.9   6.2   4.8   1.2   2.5   .8   .96
1.2   T Hendricks   Uta   856  .574   10.6   8.0    .9   1.2   1.1  1.3   .67

eW     21-30         tm   Min   Eff%   Sco   Reb   Ast   Stl   TO   Blk  e484
1.0  Sasha Vezenkov Sac   511  .567   14.3   7.0    .9   1.4    .8   .5   .97
.8   Ricky Council  Phl   289  .586   20.6   5.7   1.5    .9    .6   .1  1.41
.8   Kris Murray    Por  1348  .477    8.0   6.3   1.5   1.5   1.5   .6   .29
.7   Gradey Dick    Tor  1268  .542   12.2   3.7   1.3    .9   1.4   .1   .26
.7   Jalen Wilson   Brk   664  .530   10.2   7.2   1.7    .6   1.0   .2   .48

.6  Bilal Coulibaly Was  1715  .535    9.0   5.1   1.5   1.2   1.8  1.0   .18
.6   Trey Jemison   Mem   572  .576   10.0   8.6   1.2    .8   2.1  1.8   .50
.6   Noah Clowney   Brk   370  .616   12.6   8.0   1.3    .8   1.5  1.6   .77
.5   Ju Strawther   Den   545  .478   12.8   4.1   2.2   1.1   1.5   .5   .47
.5   O-Max Prosper  Dal   336  .486   10.5   8.4   1.6    .8    .9   .4   .73

eW     31-40         tm   Min   Eff%   Sco   Reb   Ast   Stl   TO   Blk  e484
.5   Ma Beauchamp   Mil   608  .586   11.5   5.9   1.3    .7   1.6   .4   .38
.5  Vasilije Micić  Cha   815  .526   11.9   2.8   5.5   1.1   3.1   .2   .28
.5   Gui Santos     GSW   192  .646   15.2   9.2   1.8    .8   1.3   .4  1.15
.4   Jarace Walker  Ind   340  .524   10.3   6.9   2.7   1.6   1.8  1.2   .63
.4   Anthony Black  Orl  1164  .551    9.2   4.8   2.1   1.1   1.7   .6   .18

.4   Ben Sheppard   Ind   814  .521    9.0   4.1   1.5   1.4    .7   .1   .24
.4   Br Sensabaugh  Uta   584  .505   11.8   6.5   2.3    .8   2.9   .4   .33
.4   Tr Vukcevic    Was   153  .545   16.3   8.0   1.9   1.2   2.4  1.6  1.13
.3  Javon F-Liberty Tor   403  .539   11.5   6.2   2.4    .9   2.2   .4   .39
.3   Mã Pereira     Mem   122  .600   13.5  11.2    .4   1.8   1.5  1.2  1.21

eW     41-50         tm   Min   Eff%   Sco   Reb   Ast   Stl   TO   Blk  e484
.3   Nick Smith     Cha   729  .509   12.1   3.5   2.0    .5   1.9   .3   .18
.2   Co Gillespie   Den   225  .580   13.5   3.4   3.0   2.0   2.2   .0   .52
.2   Leaky Black    Cha   284  .580    7.7   6.0   2.0   1.1    .8  1.4   .39
.2   Kobe Bufkin    Atl   196  .422   10.4   6.1   3.4   1.3   1.8   .9   .56
.2   To Evbuomwan   Det   293  .664   10.7   5.7    .8    .8   1.0   .5   .37

.2   Jules Bernard  Was   149  .540   14.4   6.0   2.4    .7   1.9   .2   .71
.2   Colby Jones    Sac   192  .418    8.8   7.8   2.6   1.3   1.9   .9   .52
.2   Sidy Cissoko   SAS   141  .556    9.9   5.5   1.7   1.8    .8   .8   .57
.1   Kobe Brown     LAC   394  .489    6.8   5.7   1.6   1.0    .8   .5   .17
.1   Jalen Pickett  Den   122  .568   11.9   4.2   4.3   1.1   2.6   .0   .36

eW     51-61         tm   Min   Eff%   Sco   Reb   Ast   Stl   TO   Blk  e484
.0   Ibou Badji     Por   226  .607    5.1   8.6   1.5    .5   2.4  3.2   .10
.0   Matthew Hurt   Mem   113  .451    8.0   5.2    .9   1.0    .6  1.0   .21
.0  Julian Phillips Chi   323  .514    8.5   4.1   1.0    .8   1.1   .8   .01
-.0   Rayan Rupert  Por   633  .447    6.8   5.5   2.5    .7   1.8   .2  -.01
-.0  Onuralp Bitim  Chi   268  .462    8.6   4.4   1.2    .4   1.3   .3  -.07

-.0   Mo Gueye      Tor   120  .306    4.5   6.9   1.0    .9   3.6  5.4  -.20
-.1   Emoni Bates   Cle   133  .402    8.4   3.9   2.0    .3   2.2   .5  -.21
-.1  Ja H-Schifino  LAL   109  .309    6.7   4.4   1.8   1.0   3.0   .7  -.36
-.1   Timmy Allen   Mem   125  .271    2.1   5.0   1.1   1.2    .6   .0  -.38
-.1  Nathan Mensah  Cha   307  .485    3.0   7.6    .7    .8   1.6  1.6  -.22
-.3  Maxwell Lewis  LAL   103  .244    2.0   1.4   1.4    .7   3.5   .3 -1.27
Rookies totaled 75.5 eWins