2023 Playoff misc.
Re: 2023 Playoff misc.
So 3 of the 4 metrics are pretty exactly averaged at their expected average for first 2 rounds. In the 3rd round, 2 become slightly elevated. e484 is exactly centered the whole way (by the division by opponent performance formula). BPM is higher than "expected" (at least by my simple expectation of zero) in all rounds.
How to interpret these other patterns?
How to interpret these other patterns?
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Total "wins" thru 3 rounds, which is just the avg of 4 wins estimates.
Each 'wins' column sums to 86.4
EDIT: "... sums to 79.4"
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wins playoffs tm Min PER WS/48 BPM e480 perW WS bpmW eWin
3.72 Nikola Jokić Den 583 31.6 .303 13.4 3.27 3.44 3.55 3.91 3.97
3.09 Jimmy Butler Mia 669 25.8 .217 7.2 2.51 3.05 2.92 2.91 3.50
3.06 Jayson Tatum Bos 799 22.5 .167 5.3 2.17 3.04 2.68 2.89 3.61
2.51 Anthony Davis LAL 608 23.9 .202 5.7 2.18 2.51 2.47 2.29 2.77
2.49 LeBron James LAL 619 22.5 .170 7.6 2.09 2.36 2.12 2.78 2.69
2.31 Jamal Murray Den 587 23.0 .193 5.5 2.04 2.30 2.28 2.17 2.50
2.30 Devin Booker Phx 459 28.6 .236 10.7 2.11 2.39 2.18 2.61 2.02
1.94 Jalen Brunson NYK 443 23.0 .227 7.7 2.16 1.74 2.02 2.01 1.99
1.72 Stephen Curry GSW 493 20.5 .132 6.5 1.86 1.65 1.31 2.01 1.91
1.62 Caleb Martin Mia 552 17.4 .178 3.8 1.19 1.45 1.97 1.68 1.37
wins playoffs tm Min PER WS/48 BPM e480 perW WS bpmW eWin
1.46 Derrick White Bos 593 16.1 .151 3.0 .83 1.38 1.80 1.63 1.03
1.46 Kevin Durant Phx 466 21.1 .114 4.5 1.65 1.62 1.07 1.54 1.60
1.43 Marcus Smart Bos 679 15.3 .112 0.8 1.01 1.46 1.53 1.29 1.44
1.35 Austin Reaves LAL 579 15.4 .135 2.2 .97 1.26 1.57 1.41 1.17
1.31 Bam Adebayo Mia 641 15.7 .089 -0.9 1.39 1.44 1.15 .81 1.86
1.31 Jaylen Brown Bos 751 15.5 .050 -0.9 1.21 1.65 .75 .94 1.90
1.29 Robert Williams Bos 417 19.5 .208 3.4 1.04 1.30 1.74 1.21 .91
1.27 Al Horford Bos 617 12.7 .119 2.8 .78 .96 1.48 1.65 1.00
1.25 James Harden Phl 427 18.6 .112 4.1 1.63 1.24 .96 1.35 1.45
1.23 Michael Porter Den 507 15.1 .144 1.5 1.21 1.07 1.47 1.10 1.28
wins playoffs tm Min PER WS/48 BPM e480 perW WS bpmW eWin
1.03 Kevon Looney GSW 325 18.9 .206 3.1 1.35 .97 1.35 .90 .91
1.02 Tyrese Maxey Phl 423 16.9 .117 2.2 1.12 1.06 .99 1.03 .99
.97 Anthony Edwards Min 199 27.3 .190 10.4 2.51 .98 .76 1.11 1.04
.96 Joel Embiid Phl 336 20.4 .091 1.9 1.87 1.12 .61 .78 1.31
.93 Bruce Brown Den 396 16.2 .158 1.4 .82 .93 1.26 .84 .68
.91 Tobias Harris Phl 392 16.2 .131 1.4 1.04 .92 1.03 .84 .85
.87 Rui Hachimura LAL 388 16.0 .146 2.2 .64 .90 1.14 .95 .52
.87 Aaron Gordon Den 534 13.1 .121 -1.3 .63 .88 1.30 .59 .71
.86 Draymond Green GSW 367 14.6 .126 2.8 1.08 .73 .93 .98 .82
.83 Kyle Lowry Mia 454 13.1 .092 1.4 .82 .75 .84 .97 .78
.83 RJ Barrett NYK 377 14.7 .105 1.3 1.25 .76 .80 .79 .98
EDIT: "... sums to 79.4"
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52 games actually won.
So how does 86.4 "wins" match up?
So how does 86.4 "wins" match up?
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Sorry about that.
32+16+8 = 56 games won by series winners.
Losing teams have totaled 23 wins. So that is 79.
Somehow I included the Lakers twice -- after 2 rounds and after 3. Then I manually deleted their duplicitous lines from the text file, but not from the spreadsheet.
So their 8 wins from rd1 & rd2 are the difference.
There are some fractional differences due to overtime games; but then maybe players have "done more" in 53 minutes than in the usual 48.
32+16+8 = 56 games won by series winners.
Losing teams have totaled 23 wins. So that is 79.
Somehow I included the Lakers twice -- after 2 rounds and after 3. Then I manually deleted their duplicitous lines from the text file, but not from the spreadsheet.
So their 8 wins from rd1 & rd2 are the difference.
There are some fractional differences due to overtime games; but then maybe players have "done more" in 53 minutes than in the usual 48.
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Ok.
I forgot losers won some games. Oof. Got off-track.
I forgot losers won some games. Oof. Got off-track.
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Sorry I didn't see this post earlier.Crow wrote: ↑Wed May 31, 2023 1:09 pm So 3 of the 4 metrics are pretty exactly averaged at their expected average for first 2 rounds. In the 3rd round, 2 become slightly elevated. e484 is exactly centered the whole way (by the division by opponent performance formula). BPM is higher than "expected" (at least by my simple expectation of zero) in all rounds.
How to interpret these other patterns?
Here's the table again, somewhat refined. Teams are listed next to their opponents, winners over losers. They're ranked by combined BPM, which could be called 'strength of competition' for the series.
I also took the liberty of scaling Win Shares to average .100 WS/48 min.
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rd1 PER ws/48 BPM e480 rd2 PER ws/48 BPM e480
NYK 14.8 .133 2.3 1.18 Bos 16.8 .146 2.9 1.25
Cle 12.0 .067 1.0 .82 Phl 14.5 .054 0.7 .75
LAL 15.6 .142 2.4 1.21 Den 17.8 .158 2.9 1.25
Mem 12.1 .058 0.7 .78 Phx 14.1 .042 0.6 .75
Phx 18.3 .143 2.3 1.17 LAL 16.1 .120 1.6 1.09
LAC 14.8 .057 0.7 .83 GSW 13.6 .080 0.9 .92
Bos 17.5 .136 1.9 1.14 Mia 14.2 .116 1.3 1.13
Atl 15.4 .064 0.7 .85 NYK 13.0 .084 0.3 .87
Den 16.0 .149 2.1 1.25
Min 13.8 .051 -0.1 .76 rd2 15.0 .100 1.4 1.00
GSW 14.9 .113 1.2 1.06
Sac 13.7 .087 0.7 .94 rd3 PER ws/48 BPM e480
Mia 16.6 .126 1.3 1.14 Den 17.3 .137 2.7 1.17
Mil 14.9 .074 0.1 .86 LAL 15.4 .063 1.1 .83
Phl 16.3 .174 2.2 1.32 Mia 15.7 .121 1.5 1.12
Brk 12.2 .026 -0.8 .68 Bos 14.5 .079 0.6 .88
rd1 14.9 .100 1.2 1.00 rd3 15.8 .100 1.5 1.00
BPM is the one that 'does it right', or sincerely tries to. It doesn't account for 'playoff Jimmy' or 'playoff Murray' or 'playoff LeBron'; nor does it reckon whether Durant after 40 minutes is equal to Durant before 35. Still, it should be close to right.
I'm squeamish about assigning more 'wins' than games; so I have stuck to 1 total player-win per game-played -- that is 1.00 eW/480+ minutes. Adjusting relative to BPM might give a more 'honest' total, like 'equivalent wins vs average team'; but it's still an estimate.
I don't know why WS/48 for a series runs high. Teams avg .102-.106 in a series. [For this post, it's adjusted to .100 per series.]
In close series, WS/48 is Pythagorean -- note that (ignoring the decimal) it is just twice the difference from avg, as is eW/480. In lopsided series (Phl/Brk) it departs from the asymptotic range (zero to .200) that constrains Pyth (and eW).
If you lose by more than about 15 ppg, you can have negative WS.
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The Joker's first Finals game (27-10-14, .781 TS) does not make the top100 playoff games; but it ranks pretty well among this year's entries in BPM*Min/48:
This actually seems a more valid ranking, since GmSc says nothing about Defense. Dominating a low-scoring game vs thriving in a high-scoring one.
I see ESPN has an article on top Finals games, according to GmSc.
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bpmMin player tm opp
27.5 Harden Phl Bos
24.6 Tatum Bos Phl
23.3 Booker Phx Den
22.3 Morant Mem LAL
20.0 LeBron LAL Den
18.5 * Jokic * Den * Mia
17.9 Butler Mia Mil
16.6 Jokic Den LAL
15.8 Booker Phx LAC
15.2 Jokic Den Phx
14.0 Booker Phx LAC
I see ESPN has an article on top Finals games, according to GmSc.
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Through 20 playoff games, the Heat have shot .524 eFG% when Jimmy Butler is on the court and .622 when he is off.
Opponents have shot .505 when he's not in the game vs .542 when he's out there.
So despite his leading the team in assists (by a lot) and his defensive skills, and his genius at both ends, his presence has been accompanied by a whopping -.135 deficit in team-opponent shooting%
Miami rebounding% is also worse with Jimmy, .478 vs .505 without.
Turnovers are essentially the same: a wee bit more for Heat and opponents when Butler is in.
https://www.basketball-reference.com/te ... 23/on-off/
Per 100 on-off net rates so far:Numbers refer to team-opponent advantage; so positive TO% on-off is good.
Nuggets:
Opponents have shot .505 when he's not in the game vs .542 when he's out there.
So despite his leading the team in assists (by a lot) and his defensive skills, and his genius at both ends, his presence has been accompanied by a whopping -.135 deficit in team-opponent shooting%
Miami rebounding% is also worse with Jimmy, .478 vs .505 without.
Turnovers are essentially the same: a wee bit more for Heat and opponents when Butler is in.
https://www.basketball-reference.com/te ... 23/on-off/
Per 100 on-off net rates so far:
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On-off Pts eFG% TO% TRb%
Martin 10.5 .060 .2 5.6
Vincent 9.0 .018 5.6 -7.2
Robinson 8.1 .075 -.9 5.6
Adebayo 8.0 -.025 3.7 4.2
Love -1.8 -.028 .2 1.4
Zeller -4.3 .036 -2.5 -4.6
Lowry -4.9 -.002 -1.8 -4.0
Highsmith -8.3 .030 -5.6 5.6
Strus -10.4 -.081 .8 -4.8
Butler -15.9 -.135 .2 -5.4
Nuggets:
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on-off min. Pts eFG% TO% TRb%
Gordon 608 14.7 .045 6.1 .2
Brown 444 6.9 .028 -1.3 9.0
Porter 578 5.7 .021 -.1 .2
Murray 670 3.5 .006 6.8 -5.2
Jokic 666 2.2 -.039 .2 2.4
Braun 189 -1.4 .022 -2.3 4.0
Green 307 -9.4 -.007 -2.7 .4
KCP 573 -10.2 -.080 1.4 -7.8
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The top 8 Butler playoff lineups are +118 in about 530 minutes,l for +10.7 / 48 minutes.
The problem, the super-massive problem, must be in Spoelstra selected dink lineups. Especially with Lowry, Zeller and Highsmith.
The other super-massive issue is how good the Heat are without him. Butler on is far different but still +0.8 / 100p overall.
But those 55 lineups beyond the biggest 8 Butler lineups are apparently -130 in 217 minutes for an average of -28.9 / 48 minutes. Total garbage and at least somewhat reducable.
NBA teams show insufficient awareness and concern or at the very least are taking insufficient action in response to their weak lineup choices. It is astonishing. The winner is often who is less chaotic and sloppy. Very unimpressed by large parts of NBA lineup management. Can't always get good results but probably should shut down more of the worst performing faster and favor the strong far more. There is randomness but there is signal in the results too.
The problem, the super-massive problem, must be in Spoelstra selected dink lineups. Especially with Lowry, Zeller and Highsmith.
The other super-massive issue is how good the Heat are without him. Butler on is far different but still +0.8 / 100p overall.
But those 55 lineups beyond the biggest 8 Butler lineups are apparently -130 in 217 minutes for an average of -28.9 / 48 minutes. Total garbage and at least somewhat reducable.
NBA teams show insufficient awareness and concern or at the very least are taking insufficient action in response to their weak lineup choices. It is astonishing. The winner is often who is less chaotic and sloppy. Very unimpressed by large parts of NBA lineup management. Can't always get good results but probably should shut down more of the worst performing faster and favor the strong far more. There is randomness but there is signal in the results too.
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Raw Butler on / off is probably worse than adjusted for opponent and teammate on / off.
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I had thought Miami was winning the coaching battle by employing more players. Unless Denver was able to hammer them to death in another sweep, they're going to lose to exhaustion.
Meanwhile, as a coach it must be tempting to throw out many combinations of players. All your guys have played together a lot in practices and RS games, while the opponent may have never seen some lineups. By the time they've adjusted -- lineup change or coverage -- you may have gained something, however briefly.
Anyway, without Murray or without Gordon, the Nuggets' TO rate skyrockets. What is that about?
Meanwhile, as a coach it must be tempting to throw out many combinations of players. All your guys have played together a lot in practices and RS games, while the opponent may have never seen some lineups. By the time they've adjusted -- lineup change or coverage -- you may have gained something, however briefly.
Anyway, without Murray or without Gordon, the Nuggets' TO rate skyrockets. What is that about?
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Other than Max Strus, every player in the Miami rotation has shot 3-pointers better in these Finals AND throughout the playoffs, than they did in the regular season.
https://www.basketball-reference.com/te ... /2023.html
Ranked by 2-game Finals 3-pt attempts, showing previous 3FG%, expected 3fg% (= avg of RS and PO), and points above or below that expectation.
Miami totals 10 pts more than expected from the arc. Denver has gone the other way:
Only the Joker has been significantly better from the arc in PO.
https://www.basketball-reference.com/te ... /2023.html
Ranked by 2-game Finals 3-pt attempts, showing previous 3FG%, expected 3fg% (= avg of RS and PO), and points above or below that expectation.
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Heat 3fga 3fg RS% PO% exp% xPts diff
Strus 19 4 .350 .336 .343 19.6 -7.6
Vincent 16 9 .334 .413 .374 17.9 9.1
Lowry 9 5 .345 .380 .363 9.8 5.2
Robinson 8 3 .328 .440 .384 9.2 -.2
Butler 7 3 .350 .364 .357 7.5 1.5
Love 6 2 .297 .365 .331 6.0 .0
Martin 4 2 .356 .441 .399 4.8 1.2
Highsmith 4 2 .339 .500 .420 5.0 1.0
Adebayo 1 0 .330 .000 .165 .5 -.5
. 9.8
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Nuggs 3fga 3fg RS% PO% exp% xPts diff
Porter 17 3 .414 .375 .395 20.1 -11.1
Murray 15 5 .398 .391 .395 17.8 -2.8
Jokic 7 3 .383 .469 .426 8.9 .1
Brown 6 3 .358 .318 .338 6.1 2.9
KCP 6 2 .423 .405 .414 7.5 -1.5
Gordon 3 2 .347 .375 .361 3.2 2.8
Green 1 1 .288 .296 .292 .9 2.1
. -7.5
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Finalists Jokic and Butler are #1-2 in both playoff Win Shares and VORP.
It's not especially close, but is it possible that Butler's big games have had more impact, or been more timely?
I don't discern any such pattern here. Ranked by single game vorp = BPM*Min/48:
Game 2 of these Finals is Joker's only weak game that came in a loss (negative in 'win' column).
The sum of these (bottom line) is almost a 2:1 ratio.
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VORP Win Shares
2.8 Jokic Den 4.6 Jokic Den
1.7 Butler Mia 3.2 Butler Mia
1.5 Booker Phx 2.9 Murray Den
1.5 LeBron LAL 2.8 Tatum Bos
1.5 Tatum Bos 2.6 Davis LAL
I don't discern any such pattern here. Ranked by single game vorp = BPM*Min/48:
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Jimmy Butler Nikola Jokic
vorp Rd G min BPM win vorp Rd G min BPM win
17.9 1 4 41 21.0 5 18.6 4 1 41 22.0 11
11.1 2 4 42 12.7 8 18.5 2 6 38 23.6 25
9.1 2 5 43 10.2 -9 18.1 1 4 39 22.2 -6
8.9 1 3 28 15.1 22 16.8 3 1 42 19.0 6
7.9 2 3 36 10.7 19 15.4 2 4 40 18.7 -5
7.6 3 1 43 8.4 7 15.2 2 2 41 17.7 10
7.3 3 4 39 9.0 -17 14.4 2 3 42 16.5 -7
5.7 1 5 46 5.9 2 13.8 4 3 44 15.1 15
5.6 3 7 43 6.2 19 12.5 2 5 38 16.0 16
5.5 3 2 41 6.5 6 12.5 3 4 45 13.2 2
4.7 1 2 28 8.0 -16 9.7 1 5 42 11.1 3
3.6 3 6 47 3.7 -1 8.1 1 3 38 10.2 9
2.7 4 3 40 3.2 -15 7.4 3 2 42 8.4 5
2.7 1 1 43 3.0 13 4.7 1 2 37 6.0 9
2.5 2 1 44 2.8 7 3.8 1 1 29 6.4 29
2.5 4 1 38 3.1 -11 3.3 4 2 42 3.8 -3
1.2 3 5 34 1.7 -13 3.3 2 1 33 4.8 18
0.6 4 2 40 0.7 3 2.2 3 3 38 2.7 11
-.4 2 6 41 -0.5 4
-.7 3 3 31 -1.1 26
105.7 198.0
The sum of these (bottom line) is almost a 2:1 ratio.
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Jokic leads all players in this postseason in points (by 3 over Butler), rebounds (37 ahead of Bam) and assists (60 more than Murray).
Top 250's alltime are listed by b-r.com
https://www.basketball-reference.com/leaders/
Top 250's alltime are listed by b-r.com
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Pts points tm rk
549 Jokic Den 48
546 Butler Mia 51
543 Tatum Bos 52
493 Murray Den 87
453 Brown Bos 131
396 Curry GSW 232
392 LeBron LAL 238
Reb rebounds tm rk
241 Jokic Den 75
225 Davis LAL 98
210 Tatum Bos 131
204 Adebayo Mia 142
170 Looney GSW 250
Ast assists tm rk
182 Jokic Den 22
122 Murray Den 120
117 Butler Mia 136
105 Tatum Bos 200
104 LeBron LAL 207
101 Smart Bos 228
Stl steals tm rk
36 Butler Mia 75
28 Murray Den 190
Blk blocks tm rk
50 Davis LAL 26
34 Horford Bos 102
25 Embiid Phl 220
25 RWilliams Bos 220
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As of last night, Joker heads the list of players who have had postseasons now among the top 250 (ever) in total points, rebounds, AND assists.
Ranked by best worst category -- rankings on the right.
* - McGinnis' was ABA
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Playoffs Year Pts Reb Ast rk: pts reb ast
Nikola Jokić 2023 572 253 186 38 56 20
George McGinnis 1975* 581 286 148 36 36 58
Larry Bird 1984 632 252 136 17 60 79
Larry Bird 1987 622 231 165 18 87 33
LeBron James 2015 601 226 169 24 95 32
LeBron James 2020 580 226 184 37 96 20
LeBron James 2012 697 224 129 7 101 98
Tim Duncan 2003 593 369 127 28 9 103
LeBron James 2016 552 200 160 47 147 42
LeBron James 2018 748 200 198 2 148 15
Scottie Pippen 1992 428 193 147 170 172 63
LeBron James 2013 596 193 152 26 175 52
Giannis A 2021 634 269 108 15 44 182
Nikola Jokić 2020 464 187 109 116 195 177
Jayson Tatum 2023 543 210 105 52 132 204
Larry Bird 1985 520 182 115 68 205 145
Charles Barkley 1993 638 326 102 14 17 222
Paul George 2021 511 183 102 75 204 225
LeBron James 2011 497 176 123 85 226 117
John Havlicek 1969 458 179 100 124 213 230
Khris Middleton 2021 542 174 118 54 234 134
Hakeem Olajuwon 1994 664 254 98 12 57 250
Hakeem Olajuwon 1995 725 227 98 4 94 250
* - McGinnis' was ABA