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eWins 2024

Post by Mike G »

top 50 projected to the full season, currently at 24%

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e82    per36 rates   tm   Min   Eff%   Sco   Reb   Ast   Stl   TO   Blk   e484
19.2   Nikola Jokić  Den   34  .624   31.2  13.9   8.2   1.2   3.1   .8   3.47
16.4   Shai G-A      OKC   35  .626   32.2   5.8   5.6   2.7   2.3   .9   2.93
15.4   Joel Embiid   Phl   35  .602   32.5  12.1   6.1    .9   3.9  2.0   3.11
14.7   Luka Dončić   Dal   36  .605   28.9   8.2   6.8   1.6   3.9   .5   2.53
14.3   Giannis A     Mil   34  .625   30.0  11.3   4.2   1.4   4.4  1.4   2.56

13.6   Jayson Tatum  Bos   37  .612   28.8   8.5   3.6   1.1   3.4   .4   2.17
13.3   Kevin Durant  Phx   37  .623   30.8   6.7   5.0    .7   3.5  1.2   2.35
13.2  Anthony Davis  LAL   35  .601   22.9  12.6   2.7   1.0   2.2  2.9   2.31
11.9  Alperen Şengün Hou   33  .580   23.5  10.1   5.3   1.1   2.8   .8   2.14
11.8   LeBron James  LAL   34  .628   26.5   8.1   5.6   1.4   3.9   .8   2.16

e82     11-20        tm   Min   Eff%   Sco   Reb   Ast   Stl   TO   Blk   e484
11.6   T Haliburton  Ind   34  .662   25.9   4.1   9.1   1.1   2.7   .7   2.26
11.5   Tyrese Maxey  Phl   38  .588   24.0   4.5   5.5    .7   1.5   .6   1.85
11.3   Karl-A Towns  Min   33  .609   25.6   9.9   2.9   1.0   3.2   .8   1.97
10.9  Jalen Brunson  NYK   36  .584   25.5   3.9   5.0   1.0   2.0   .1   1.80
10.9 Anthony Edwards Min   35  .573   27.7   6.1   4.5   1.3   3.3   .5   2.03

10.9  Stephen Curry  GSW   33  .659   32.0   5.3   4.2    .8   3.8   .2   2.11
10.7   D Sabonis     Sac   35  .605   17.8  12.4   5.9    .9   3.2   .9   1.79
10.7  Scottie Barnes Tor   35  .556   18.7   9.4   4.5   1.8   2.4  1.4   1.80
10.0  Kawhi Leonard  LAC   34  .572   22.0   6.3   3.0   1.5   1.6   .7   1.70
9.8   De'Aaron Fox   Sac   36  .582   27.2   4.8   5.4   1.6   2.0   .4   2.19

e82     21-30        tm   Min   Eff%   Sco   Reb   Ast   Stl   TO   Blk   e484
9.8   Paul George    LAC   36  .575   23.1   5.9   3.6   1.5   2.5   .2   1.61
9.7   Chet Holmgren  OKC   30  .640   21.9   9.4   2.7   1.2   2.3  2.7   1.90
9.5   Julius Randle  NYK   35  .497   18.9  10.8   5.1    .7   3.3   .2   1.59
9.4   Desmond Bane   Mem   34  .567   23.4   4.8   4.6   1.6   2.9   .7   1.62
9.3   D Mitchell     Cle   35  .564   26.1   5.4   4.3   2.1   2.6   .5   2.04

9.3   Bam Adebayo    Mia   34  .576   22.1  11.3   3.5   1.3   2.6  1.1   2.02
9.2  Damian Lillard  Mil   35  .595   24.1   4.7   5.8   1.1   2.9   .1   1.70
9.1   Trae Young     Atl   36  .556   22.2   2.9   8.4   1.5   3.8   .0   1.55
8.9   Mikal Bridges  Brk   35  .580   22.1   6.3   3.3   1.1   2.6   .5   1.49
8.6   Franz Wagner   Orl   33  .556   21.0   6.8   3.3   1.1   1.9   .4   1.54

e82     31-40        tm   Min   Eff%   Sco   Reb   Ast   Stl   TO   Blk   e484
8.6   Evan Mobley    Cle   33  .596   16.9  11.5   2.6    .9   2.4  1.8   1.51
8.3   Rudy Gobert    Min   33  .606   15.4  13.0   1.0    .6   1.7  2.6   1.48
8.0  Lauri Markkanen Uta   34  .615   22.9   9.3    .9   1.3   1.4   .9   1.84
8.0  Paolo Banchero  Orl   33  .552   19.5   7.9   4.5   1.1   3.4   .6   1.41
8.0  Zion Williamson NOP   31  .588   25.4   6.6   4.5   1.2   3.0   .3   1.84

7.9   K Porziņģis    Bos   30  .648   24.7   7.9   2.0    .8   1.5  2.0   1.94
7.9   J Valančiūnas  NOP   27  .627   18.4  12.1   2.6    .5   1.6  1.7   1.72
7.8   Jimmy Butler   Mia   34  .589   22.4   6.1   3.6   1.3   1.9   .5   1.70
7.8   Devin Booker   Phx   34  .597   28.9   6.5   7.8    .7   3.1   .5   2.43
7.8  Michael Porter  Den   31  .587   18.9   9.5   1.6    .6   1.4   .9   1.45

e82     41-52        tm   Min   Eff%   Sco   Reb   Ast   Stl   TO   Blk   e484
7.6   Jaylen Brown   Bos   35  .533   21.8   5.1   3.1   1.3   2.6   .6   1.37
7.6   Mark Williams  Cha   27  .665   16.2  13.4   1.1   1.1   1.2  1.3   1.64
7.5   V Wembanyama   SAS   30  .521   17.9  11.9   2.3   1.7   4.2  3.3   1.55
7.5   Kyle Kuzma     Was   31  .559   21.8   6.7   3.9    .4   2.9   .7   1.40
7.4   Pascal Siakam  Tor   34  .535   18.8   7.5   4.2    .8   2.8   .2   1.27

7.4   Kyrie Irving   Dal   33  .557   21.9   4.4   4.7   1.4   1.6   .4   1.64
7.3   LaMelo Ball    Cha   33  .561   22.1   5.9   6.5   1.5   4.3   .3   1.53
7.3  Brandon Ingram  NOP   34  .560   22.5   5.5   4.5    .8   2.8   .2   1.46
7.3 D'Angelo Russell LAL   31  .591   19.3   3.9   6.3    .9   2.1   .7   1.38
7.2   Fred VanVleet  Hou   38  .533   15.0   4.0   7.5    .7   1.5   .4   1.19
7.2   Myles Turner   Ind   27  .600   18.4  11.0   1.4    .8   2.0  2.8   1.57
7.1   Jusuf Nurkić   Phx   28  .540   14.2  12.5   4.4   1.3   2.9  1.7   1.49
https://www.basketball-reference.com/le ... otals.html
#53-60: J Jackson Jr, DeRozan, Vucevic, Poeltl, Capela, Ayton, D Murray, J Grant
61-70: T Harris, J Green, Zubac, J Smith Jr, M Wagner, C Anthony, Schroeder, Quickley, Brogdon, Lavine
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Re: eWins 2024

Post by Mike G »

There is much consensus on the Top 4 players thus far:

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PER
34.1  Jokic
32.0  Embiid
30.3  Shai
29.1  Haliburton
28.5  Giannis

WS/48
.323  Jokic
.295  Shai
.280  Haliburton
.280  Embiid
.236  Porzingis

BPM
15.6  Jokic
11.0  Embiid
10.7  Haliburton
10.4  Shai
_8.7  Doncic

eW/484
3.47  Jokic
3.11  Embiid
2.93  Shai
2.56  Giannis
2.53  Doncic
2.35  Durant
2.31  Davis
2.26  Haliburton
https://www.basketball-reference.com/le ... anced.html
eWins is weighting Assists a bit light so far. If I move the coefficient to normal level, TH ranks #6.
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Re: eWins 2024

Post by Crow »

Siakam is the probably only guy in this top 50 with much chance to get traded this cycle.
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Re: eWins 2024

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Season at 38%

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e82     per36 rates    tm   Eff%   Sco   Reb   Ast   Stl   TO   Blk   e484
17.3   Nikola Jokić   Den  .619   29.4  13.4   7.6   1.2   2.9   .9   3.10
17.2   Shai G-A       OKC  .631   34.1   5.9   5.3   3.0   2.1   .9   3.01
16.5   Joel Embiid    Phl  .635   39.3  12.7   5.3   1.1   4.1  2.1   3.52
15.5   Giannis        Mil  .630   31.8  11.5   4.5   1.3   3.9  1.2   2.69
14.8   Luka Dončić    Dal  .606   31.0   8.0   6.9   1.5   3.9   .6   2.58

13.1   Anthony Davis  LAL  .601   24.6  12.3   2.5   1.1   2.0  2.6   2.30
11.7  Alperen Şengün  Hou  .584   24.2  10.4   5.0   1.2   2.8   .9   2.13
11.7   LeBron James   LAL  .624   27.1   8.0   6.1   1.5   3.5   .7   2.22
11.6   Jayson Tatum   Bos  .584   26.7   8.2   3.7   1.0   2.8   .5   1.96
11.6   Kevin Durant   Phx  .629   29.6   6.5   4.8    .8   3.4  1.1   2.10

e82     11-20          tm   Eff%   Sco   Reb   Ast   Stl   TO   Blk   e484
11.5   Do. Sabonis    Sac  .622   19.6  12.7   5.8    .8   3.0   .6   1.93
11.1   Tyrese Maxey   Phl  .585   24.9   3.9   5.3    .7   1.4   .5   1.80
11.0  Scottie Barnes  Tor  .579   20.2   9.9   4.6   1.5   2.6  1.5   1.83
10.6  Ty. Haliburton  Ind  .632   23.7   4.4   9.3   1.0   2.8   .6   2.02
10.2  Anthony Edwards Min  .567   27.6   6.0   4.6   1.5   3.4   .5   1.92

10.1   Karl-A Towns   Min  .612   25.3  10.6   2.7    .9   3.2   .6   1.86
10.1   Jalen Brunson  NYK  .583   24.7   4.3   4.9   1.1   2.4   .2   1.66
10.0   De'Aaron Fox   Sac  .593   28.5   4.8   4.8   1.8   2.7   .4   2.07
9.8   Kawhi Leonard   LAC  .622   25.6   6.3   2.8   1.5   1.5   .7   1.91
9.7   Damian Lillard  Mil  .609   25.4   4.5   5.5   1.0   2.9   .2   1.72

e82     21-30          tm   Eff%   Sco   Reb   Ast   Stl   TO   Blk   e484
9.6   Stephen Curry   GSW  .630   29.6   4.9   3.8    .8   3.4   .4   1.79
9.4   Julius Randle   NYK  .552   21.7  10.1   4.0    .6   3.3   .2   1.55
9.3   Trae Young      Atl  .577   23.8   3.0   8.3   1.3   4.2   .2   1.59
9.3   Chet Holmgren   OKC  .637   22.0   9.2   2.4    .9   2.1  3.3   1.82
9.2   Desmond Bane    Mem  .587   25.0   4.7   4.4   1.3   3.0   .7   1.61

8.8   Do. Mitchell    Cle  .576   26.7   5.7   4.4   1.8   2.6   .5   1.97
8.7   Devin Booker    Phx  .588   26.6   5.6   6.6    .7   2.9   .5   1.99
8.5   Franz Wagner    Orl  .552   20.7   6.6   3.4   1.3   2.0   .4   1.46
8.5   Paul George     LAC  .579   22.8   5.9   3.2   1.5   2.3   .4   1.53
8.4   Pascal Siakam   Tor  .570   20.6   7.0   4.0    .9   2.4   .2   1.41

e82     31-40          tm   Eff%   Sco   Reb   Ast   Stl   TO   Blk   e484
8.3   Rudy Gobert     Min  .623   15.3  13.9   1.2    .8   1.7  2.5   1.50
8.1   Paolo Banchero  Orl  .534   20.8   7.7   4.0   1.1   3.3   .6   1.39
8.1   Jaylen Brown    Bos  .564   23.8   5.4   3.3   1.1   2.7   .7   1.48
8.1  Jo. Valančiūnas  NOP  .627   18.8  12.7   2.5    .7   2.0  1.7   1.70
7.9   Fred VanVleet   Hou  .544   15.9   3.8   7.1   1.1   1.6   .5   1.27

7.9   DeMar DeRozan   Chi  .542   19.8   3.7   4.3   1.1   1.4   .8   1.34
7.8  Zion Williamson  NOP  .595   25.5   7.3   4.2   1.2   3.0   .4   1.83
7.8   Brandon Ingram  NOP  .576   23.5   5.1   4.5    .8   2.8   .5   1.49
7.5   Derrick White   Bos  .639   20.2   4.3   4.9   1.3   2.0  1.5   1.48
7.4   James Harden    LAC  .637   19.5   5.2   6.4   1.4   2.7  1.0   1.51

e82     41-50          tm   Eff%   Sco   Reb   Ast   Stl   TO   Blk   e484
7.4  Lauri Markkanen  Uta  .626   24.0   9.8   1.4   1.1   1.4   .7   1.88
7.3   Jaren Jackson   Mem  .563   22.0   6.4   1.5   1.0   2.3  1.9   1.35
7.3   Bam Adebayo     Mia  .564   21.6  11.1   3.6   1.2   2.7  1.0   1.85
7.1   Nikola Vučević  Chi  .509   15.0  11.2   2.9    .9   1.8   .8   1.31
7.1   Kr. Porziņģis   Bos  .648   25.6   8.3   1.7    .9   1.9  2.0   1.90

7.1   Vi. Wembanyama  SAS  .521   18.1  12.3   2.5   1.6   3.9  3.9   1.59
7.0   Jusuf Nurkić    Phx  .543   14.4  14.2   3.8   1.2   2.7  1.6   1.56
6.9   Myles Turner    Ind  .615   19.6  10.2   1.1    .8   1.9  2.9   1.53
6.9   Jarrett Allen   Cle  .684   18.8  11.4   2.6   1.0   2.1  1.1   1.59
6.7   Jimmy Butler    Mia  .578   21.7   5.8   4.1   1.2   1.9   .4   1.56
#51-60: Tobias, Zubac, Capela, Mikal Bridges, Dj Murray, M Porter, Kuzma, Cunningham, Jabari Smith, Jalen Williams
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Re: eWins 2024

Post by Crow »

VanVleet 35th here and similar of BPM.

14th on pay.

A moderate overpay but they had to change the team structure & dynamic.

Will they still have him / like him in yr 3 of contract?
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Re: eWins 2024

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at .435 of the season, a top 50

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e82     per36 rates    tm   Eff%   Sco   Reb   Ast   Stl   TO   Blk   e484
16.9   Shai G-A       OKC  .630   33.9   6.0   5.2   2.6   2.0   .8   2.93
16.8   Nikola Jokić   Den  .630   29.5  13.0   7.7   1.2   2.9  1.0   3.02
16.1   Giannis A      Mil  .634   32.6  11.7   4.6   1.3   3.7  1.2   2.76
15.3   Joel Embiid    Phl  .629   39.1  12.6   5.3   1.1   4.1  2.1   3.41
14.3   Luka Dončić    Dal  .604   31.8   7.7   7.0   1.5   3.9   .6   2.55

13.2   Anthony Davis  LAL  .606   24.7  12.1   2.6   1.2   2.2  2.6   2.26
12.4   Jayson Tatum   Bos  .598   28.5   8.5   3.8   1.0   2.8   .5   2.10
11.5  Alperen Şengün  Hou  .583   24.7  10.1   4.9   1.2   2.8   .8   2.10
11.4 Domantas Sabonis Sac  .618   19.6  13.7   6.0    .9   3.4   .6   1.91
11.2   LeBron James   LAL  .610   26.3   7.5   6.0   1.5   3.4   .7   2.06

e82     11-20          tm   Eff%   Sco   Reb   Ast   Stl   TO   Blk   e484
10.7   Kevin Durant   Phx  .625   29.7   6.6   4.8    .8   3.2  1.1   2.10
10.7   T Haliburton   Ind  .625   23.5   4.7   9.4   1.2   2.7   .7   2.01
10.5  Anthony Edwards Min  .575   28.7   5.8   4.3   1.4   3.5   .7   1.93
10.4   Tyrese Maxey   Phl  .576   24.4   3.6   5.3    .7   1.5   .5   1.69
10.0   Kawhi Leonard  LAC  .617   25.5   6.6   2.9   1.6   1.6   .8   1.92

10.0   Jalen Brunson  NYK  .582   25.0   4.1   5.2   1.0   2.4   .2   1.64
10.0  Scottie Barnes  Tor  .571   19.4   9.2   4.4   1.4   2.5  1.4   1.67
9.7   Karl-A Towns    Min  .609   25.5  10.3   2.7    .8   3.3   .6   1.79
9.5   Julius Randle   NYK  .556   22.7  10.0   3.9    .6   3.4   .3   1.56
9.2   Stephen Curry   GSW  .617   28.6   4.7   3.9    .9   3.3   .4   1.71

e82     21-30          tm   Eff%   Sco   Reb   Ast   Stl   TO   Blk   e484
9.1   Desmond Bane    Mem  .595   24.8   4.6   4.5   1.2   2.9   .6   1.58
8.9   Damian Lillard  Mil  .593   24.0   4.4   5.4   1.1   2.6   .2   1.56
8.9   Paul George     LAC  .593   23.9   5.9   3.2   1.6   2.3   .4   1.60
8.9   De'Aaron Fox    Sac  .569   25.7   4.6   4.6   1.7   2.7   .4   1.77
8.9  Donovan Mitchell Cle  .573   26.7   5.5   4.5   1.8   2.7   .5   1.94

8.8   Paolo Banchero  Orl  .541   21.9   7.9   4.1   1.1   3.4   .6   1.47
8.7   Trae Young      Atl  .576   23.5   3.1   8.1   1.4   4.3   .2   1.48
8.6   Chet Holmgren   OKC  .640   21.6   8.6   2.5    .9   2.2  3.1   1.69
8.5   Devin Booker    Phx  .587   26.0   5.3   6.5    .8   2.9   .4   1.86
8.5   Pascal Siakam   Tor  .586   21.4   6.9   3.9    .9   2.3   .3   1.43

e82     31-40          tm   Eff%   Sco   Reb   Ast   Stl   TO   Blk   e484
8.1 Jonas Valančiūnas NOP  .630   19.3  13.3   2.4    .7   2.0  1.6   1.77
7.9   Jaylen Brown    Bos  .562   24.0   5.3   3.3   1.1   2.8   .6   1.45
7.9   Brandon Ingram  NOP  .580   23.5   5.1   4.8    .8   2.7   .5   1.50
7.9   DeMar DeRozan   Chi  .555   20.3   3.7   4.2   1.1   1.4   .7   1.33
7.8   Rudy Gobert     Min  .620   14.8  13.9   1.1    .8   1.8  2.2   1.40

7.8   Franz Wagner    Orl  .552   20.8   6.7   3.4   1.2   2.0   .4   1.45
7.8  Zion Williamson  NOP  .601   26.4   7.3   4.3   1.1   3.1   .5   1.85
7.7   Jarrett Allen   Cle  .677   19.8  12.3   2.8   1.0   2.1  1.1   1.75
7.7  Lauri Markkanen  Uta  .625   24.5   9.5   1.4   1.0   1.3   .7   1.89
7.6   Bam Adebayo     Mia  .559   21.4  11.3   3.5   1.2   2.7  1.0   1.82

e82     41-50          tm   Eff%   Sco   Reb   Ast   Stl   TO   Blk   e484
7.6   Jaren Jackson   Mem  .569   22.4   6.4   1.6   1.0   2.2  2.0   1.41
7.5   Kr Porziņģis    Bos  .646   26.3   8.5   1.7    .9   1.8  2.1   1.98
7.4   Derrick White   Bos  .643   20.6   4.5   4.9   1.3   2.0  1.4   1.49
7.4   Fred VanVleet   Hou  .551   16.0   3.7   7.1   1.1   1.7   .6   1.20
7.4   James Harden    LAC  .635   19.5   5.1   7.0   1.3   2.8  1.0   1.48

7.3 Victor Wembanyama SAS  .534   19.2  12.1   2.5   1.5   4.0  4.0   1.66
7.1   Jusuf Nurkić    Phx  .547   14.8  14.2   3.7   1.1   2.6  1.5   1.57
7.1   Myles Turner    Ind  .628   20.3   9.8   1.1    .7   1.8  2.7   1.55
6.9   Ivica Zubac     LAC  .649   17.1  13.3   1.3    .2   1.6  1.8   1.48
6.4   Clint Capela    Atl  .595   13.3  14.8   1.1    .9   1.3  2.3   1.46
6.4   Nikola Vučević  Chi  .508   15.0  11.1   2.9    .9   1.8   .8   1.28
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Re: eWins 2024

Post by Mike G »

Midpoint of season.

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e82     per36 rates    tm   Eff%   Sco   Reb   Ast   Stl   TO   Blk   e484
17.0   Nikola Jokić   Den  .640   30.0  13.2   7.5   1.2   3.2  1.0   3.05
16.8   Shai G-A       OKC  .636   34.5   5.8   5.2   2.4   2.1   .8   2.92
15.6   Giannis A      Mil  .632   32.1  11.7   4.7   1.3   3.7  1.1   2.73
15.2   Joel Embiid    Phl  .634   40.2  12.1   5.3   1.0   4.0  2.0   3.49
13.7   Luka Dončić    Dal  .601   31.8   7.9   7.0   1.6   3.9   .6   2.61

13.4   Anthony Davis  LAL  .607   24.8  12.2   2.8   1.2   2.3  2.5   2.29
12.3 Domantas Sabonis Sac  .637   20.7  13.6   6.2    .9   3.3   .6   2.04
12.0   Jayson Tatum   Bos  .595   28.5   8.3   3.8   1.0   2.7   .5   2.13
11.1  Alperen Şengün  Hou  .579   24.0  10.0   4.5   1.4   2.9   .9   2.01
10.8   Tyrese Maxey   Phl  .574   24.5   3.5   5.3    .8   1.5   .5   1.72

e82     11-20          tm   Eff%   Sco   Reb   Ast   Stl   TO   Blk   e484
10.7   LeBron James   LAL  .603   25.8   7.6   6.0   1.4   3.5   .6   2.01
10.6   Kevin Durant   Phx  .629   29.3   6.6   4.5    .8   3.3  1.1   2.05
10.4   Karl-A Towns   Min  .621   26.2  10.1   2.8    .8   3.0   .6   1.90
10.4  Anthony Edwards Min  .574   28.4   5.8   4.4   1.3   3.6   .6   1.89
10.3   Kawhi Leonard  LAC  .620   25.3   6.6   3.0   1.6   1.7   .9   1.93

10.2   Jalen Brunson  NYK  .581   26.1   4.2   5.4    .9   2.4   .2   1.75
10.2 Donovan Mitchell Cle  .584   29.0   5.6   4.7   1.9   2.8   .4   2.17
9.9   Julius Randle   NYK  .554   23.4   9.8   4.0    .5   3.4   .3   1.63
9.6    Paul George    LAC  .603   24.8   6.0   3.0   1.5   2.2   .4   1.70
9.6   Scottie Barnes  Tor  .572   19.3   8.8   4.3   1.4   2.7  1.5   1.60

e82     21-30          tm   Eff%   Sco   Reb   Ast   Stl   TO   Blk   e484
9.5 Tyrese Haliburton Ind  .626   23.9   4.7   9.5   1.2   2.8   .7   2.07
9.1   De'Aaron Fox    Sac  .569   25.6   4.4   4.4   1.8   2.6   .4   1.76
8.9  Lauri Markkanen  Uta  .639   25.7  10.2   1.6   1.0   1.2   .7   2.10
8.9   Stephen Curry   GSW  .612   28.0   4.7   4.1   1.0   3.3   .4   1.69
8.8   Damian Lillard  Mil  .588   23.9   4.4   5.3   1.1   2.5   .2   1.58

8.8   Paolo Banchero  Orl  .525   21.6   7.8   4.1   1.1   3.3   .6   1.46
8.7   Devin Booker    Phx  .590   25.9   5.2   6.3    .8   2.9   .4   1.83
8.7   Trae Young      Atl  .566   23.3   3.0   8.1   1.4   4.3   .2   1.47
8.6   Desmond Bane    Mem  .590   24.9   4.8   4.5   1.1   2.8   .6   1.62
8.6   Chet Holmgren   OKC  .631   21.4   8.3   2.7    .8   2.1  3.0   1.67

e82     31-40          tm   Eff%   Sco   Reb   Ast   Stl   TO   Blk   e484
8.5   Jaylen Brown    Bos  .578   25.5   5.5   3.2   1.1   2.8   .7   1.60
8.4   Rudy Gobert     Min  .633   16.1  14.1   1.1    .7   1.8  2.4   1.54
8.2   Bam Adebayo     Mia  .557   21.2  11.3   3.6   1.1   2.6  1.0   1.82
8.2   Jarrett Allen   Cle  .680   19.9  12.4   2.8   1.0   2.0  1.2   1.82
8.0 Jonas Valančiūnas NOP  .631   19.2  13.1   2.5    .7   1.9  1.6   1.77

8.0   Pascal Siakam   Tor  .589   21.6   6.7   3.8    .8   2.2   .3   1.45
8.0   DeMar DeRozan   Chi  .553   20.0   3.9   4.1   1.1   1.4   .6   1.32
7.9  Zion Williamson  NOP  .602   26.6   7.0   4.5   1.1   3.0   .5   1.88
7.8 Victor Wembanyama SAS  .545   21.1  12.2   2.6   1.4   4.0  3.9   1.83
7.6   Brandon Ingram  NOP  .571   22.8   5.3   4.8    .9   2.7   .5   1.49

e82     41-50          tm   Eff%   Sco   Reb   Ast   Stl   TO   Blk   e484
7.6   Fred VanVleet   Hou  .554   16.0   3.6   6.9   1.0   1.5   .7   1.22
7.5   Jaren Jackson   Mem  .562   22.7   6.6   1.6   1.1   2.2  1.9   1.47
7.2   James Harden    LAC  .628   18.9   5.1   7.0   1.2   2.8   .9   1.42
7.2   Jalen Williams  OKC  .634   22.1   4.5   4.0   1.2   2.2   .6   1.42
7.2   Jusuf Nurkić    Phx  .552   14.6  14.5   3.5   1.2   2.4  1.4   1.59

7.1   Franz Wagner    Orl  .552   21.2   6.8   3.4   1.2   2.0   .4   1.50
7.1   Nikola Vučević  Chi  .517   15.7  11.2   3.0    .8   1.7   .8   1.38
6.9   Tobias Harris   Phl  .604   19.0   6.4   2.7    .9   1.6   .6   1.22
6.9   Kr. Porziņģis   Bos  .638   25.1   8.0   2.1    .9   2.0  2.2   1.86
6.8   Kyrie Irving    Dal  .580   25.2   5.3   4.5   1.6   1.8   .5   1.93
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Re: eWins 2024

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Any interest in tweaking the EWins formula?
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Re: eWins 2024

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Crow wrote: Sat Jan 20, 2024 4:00 pm Any interest in tweaking the EWins formula?
Always. What are you thinking?
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Re: eWins 2024

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Is EWins still consistent with this explanation?

viewtopic.php?t=9021#p25451

If so, I'd at minimum look at:

treating defensive and offensive rebounding separately

Is opp ppg overall or for when particular player is on court? What about pace adjustment?

Has league TS% been adjusted?
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Re: eWins 2024

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Good questions.
To the Sco rating, I have applied the factor (TS%/OppTS%)^n as well as floating the .527 coefficient on player TS%. The TS%/OppTS% is much more strongly related to team wins. So a median shooting% on a good defensive team isn't docked, as long as he shoots better than his team allows.

The League shoots 54% against Min and 60% against Cha, so league avg is not relevant when assessing Hornets and Wolves players.
This is especially meaningful in playoff series, where the TS% range can be much wider. If you're giving up .650 TS%, shooting .573 is not nearly good enough.

Box scores do not distinguish Opp PPG when the player is on/off the court, nor Opp Reb etc. Low- and high-minute players on a team are judged the same, relative to what the team surrenders.

Higher pace is likely to produce more points or more rebounds or both; perhaps more turnovers. Estimation of possessions just seems like a complication which produces nothing.

By treating OReb and DReb separately, do we suppose they have different value to a team?
I have tried and not found any difference in pt-diff. Nor do I care about separating offense from defense generally. It's all about point differential.
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Re: eWins 2024

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Season now 58% complete.
* denotes AllStars , currently

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e82     per36 rates    tm   Eff%   Sco   Reb   Ast   Stl   TO   Blk   e484
17.5 * Nikola Jokić   Den  .644   30.5  13.4   7.2   1.2   3.1  1.0   3.17
17.3 * Shai G-A       OKC  .634   34.9   5.7   5.2   2.4   2.3   .8   3.01
16.1 * Giannis A      Mil  .629   31.3  12.0   4.7   1.3   3.7  1.1   2.79
14.5 * Joel Embiid    Phl  .628   39.2  11.9   4.8   1.1   3.9  1.9   3.45
14.3 * Luka Dončić    Dal  .604   31.4   8.3   6.8   1.6   3.8   .6   2.69

12.8 * Anthony Davis  LAL  .605   23.8  12.3   2.7   1.1   2.1  2.4   2.27
12.6   Do. Sabonis    Sac  .643   20.3  14.0   6.0    .9   3.4   .6   2.09
12.3 * Jayson Tatum   Bos  .590   27.7   8.2   3.7   1.0   2.6   .6   2.13
11.4   Alperen Şengün Hou  .582   23.7  10.1   4.5   1.3   2.9   .8   2.04
11.3 * Jalen Brunson  NYK  .588   27.6   4.2   5.2    .9   2.3   .2   1.93

e82     11-20          tm   Eff%   Sco   Reb   Ast   Stl   TO   Blk   e484
11.2 * Karl-A Towns   Min  .630   27.2  10.1   2.7    .8   3.1   .6   2.02
11.1 * Kevin Durant   Phx  .635   28.3   6.6   4.3    .8   3.0  1.2   2.05
11.0 * Kawhi Leonard  LAC  .622   25.5   6.8   3.0   1.6   1.6   .9   2.05
10.9 * Do. Mitchell   Cle  .581   28.7   5.7   5.0   1.9   2.9   .5   2.23
10.3 * LeBron James   LAL  .600   24.8   7.8   5.9   1.3   3.5   .6   1.98

10.3 * Devin Booker   Phx  .607   28.0   5.2   5.6    .9   2.7   .4   2.05
10.2 * Ant. Edwards   Min  .575   27.4   5.7   4.4   1.2   3.5   .5   1.83
9.9  * Tyrese Maxey   Phl  .576   24.0   3.4   4.9    .9   1.5   .5   1.69
9.7  * Julius Randle  NYK  .558   23.7  10.0   4.1    .5   3.5   .3   1.71
9.6  * Stephen Curry  GSW  .621   28.5   4.8   4.0    .9   3.3   .4   1.79

e82     21-30          tm   Eff%   Sco   Reb   Ast   Stl   TO   Blk   e484
9.2 * Paolo Banchero  Orl  .529   21.7   8.0   4.1   1.1   3.2   .6   1.55
9.1   Scottie Barnes  Tor  .563   18.5   8.4   4.3   1.3   2.8  1.6   1.51
9.0 * Paul George     LAC  .597   23.9   6.0   2.8   1.5   2.2   .4   1.66
9.0   De'Aaron Fox    Sac  .566   24.6   4.4   4.1   1.7   2.5   .4   1.70
9.0 * Damian Lillard  Mil  .583   23.6   4.5   5.2   1.0   2.5   .2   1.59

8.9  Lauri Markkanen  Uta  .635   24.4  10.0   1.6   1.0   1.3   .6   1.99
8.7   Rudy Gobert     Min  .637   15.9  14.3   1.0    .7   1.7  2.3   1.58
8.6   Jarrett Allen   Cle  .661   19.8  12.8   2.7   1.0   2.2  1.4   1.87
8.6 * T Haliburton    Ind  .619   23.3   4.7   9.4   1.2   2.6   .7   2.09
8.5 * Jaylen Brown    Bos  .569   24.0   5.7   3.4   1.2   2.6   .7   1.60

e82     31-40          tm   Eff%   Sco   Reb   Ast   Stl   TO   Blk   e484
8.5   Chet Holmgren   OKC  .620   20.2   8.7   2.5    .8   2.0  3.1   1.66
8.3 * Bam Adebayo     Mia  .552   19.7  11.3   3.6   1.1   2.5  1.1   1.75
8.2  Jo. Valančiūnas  NOP  .627   19.2  13.5   2.4    .6   1.9  1.5   1.84
8.2   Vi. Wembanyama  SAS  .550   21.8  12.2   2.7   1.4   4.2  4.0   1.92
8.0   DeMar DeRozan   Chi  .555   19.6   4.0   4.0   1.1   1.5   .7   1.31

8.0   Trae Young      Atl  .567   22.8   2.9   7.8   1.4   4.3   .2   1.44
7.9   James Harden    LAC  .625   19.0   5.3   6.9   1.2   2.7  1.0   1.52
7.7   Jaren Jackson   Mem  .549   22.5   6.5   1.8   1.2   2.5  1.8   1.48
7.5   Brandon Ingram  NOP  .566   22.0   5.6   4.7    .8   2.7   .5   1.45
7.5  Zion Williamson  NOP  .607   26.2   6.7   4.2   1.1   3.1   .4   1.84

e82     41-51          tm   Eff%   Sco   Reb   Ast   Stl   TO   Blk   e484
7.5   Desmond Bane    Mem  .590   24.8   4.9   4.4   1.1   2.8   .6   1.65
7.4   Nikola Vučević  Chi  .524   15.6  11.4   2.9    .8   1.6   .9   1.43
7.1   Fred VanVleet   Hou  .550   15.3   3.7   6.5   1.1   1.6   .9   1.18
7.1   Pascal Siakam   Tor  .589   21.3   6.6   3.7    .8   2.2   .3   1.45
7.1   Jalen Williams  OKC  .615   21.4   4.3   3.9   1.3   1.9   .6   1.43

7.0   Mikal Bridges   Brk  .565   20.4   5.2   2.9    .9   2.4   .5   1.17
7.0   Franz Wagner    Orl  .556   20.8   6.9   3.5   1.2   2.2   .4   1.49
6.9   Kr. Porziņģis   Bos  .637   25.0   8.0   2.0    .8   2.0  2.3   1.90
6.9   Jusuf Nurkić    Phx  .559   14.2  14.4   3.6   1.3   2.8  1.3   1.56
6.7  Dejounte Murray  Atl  .562   18.4   5.1   3.9   1.3   2.3   .3   1.16
6.7   Jimmy Butler    Mia  .612   22.9   5.7   3.8   1.3   1.8   .3   1.69
#52-60: T Harris, J Murray, M Turner, C White, D White, Sexton, Kuzma, Irving, Capela
61-70: M Porter, Claxton, Zubac, Jalen Green, McCollum, Rozier, Drummond, J Grant, D Russell, Miles Bridges
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Re: eWins 2024

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4 of top 24 here not named All-Star(yet). That's not bad.
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Re: eWins 2024

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Meant to crank this out before all the recently-traded appeared. Oh well.
Teams have played 61 to 65% of their games now.

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e82     per36 rates    tm   Eff%   Sco   Reb   Ast   Stl   TO   Blk   e484
17.3   Nikola Jokić   Den  .642   31.2  13.5   7.1   1.2   3.2  1.0   3.11
17.0   Shai G-A       OKC  .635   35.2   5.7   5.3   2.4   2.3   .9   2.95
15.9   Giannis A      Mil  .629   32.3  11.7   4.9   1.3   3.6  1.1   2.76
14.5   Luka Dončić    Dal  .608   32.6   8.4   6.8   1.6   3.8   .6   2.67
12.8   Anthony Davis  LAL  .604   24.5  12.3   2.9   1.1   2.1  2.4   2.26

12.8   Joel Embiid    Phl  .628   39.9  12.0   4.7   1.1   3.9  1.9   3.36
12.5 Domantas Sabonis Sac  .650   21.0  14.2   6.1    .9   3.4   .5   2.06
12.5   Jayson Tatum   Bos  .592   28.8   8.2   3.8   1.0   2.6   .6   2.16
11.5 Donovan Mitchell Cle  .592   30.7   5.6   5.0   1.9   2.9   .6   2.31
11.2   Kawhi Leonard  LAC  .630   26.9   6.7   3.0   1.6   1.7   .9   2.07

e82     11-20          tm   Eff%   Sco   Reb   Ast   Stl   TO   Blk   e484
11.2   Kevin Durant   Phx  .634   29.3   6.7   4.2    .9   3.1  1.3   2.03
11.1   Jalen Brunson  NYK  .588   28.4   4.2   5.2    .9   2.3   .2   1.92
11.0   Karl-A Towns   Min  .626   27.9   9.8   2.6    .8   3.1   .7   1.98
10.8  Alperen Şengün  Hou  .581   24.0  10.4   4.4   1.2   2.9   .8   1.99
10.4  Anthony Edwards Min  .576   28.4   5.7   4.4   1.2   3.5   .5   1.84

10.2   Stephen Curry  GSW  .630   31.0   4.9   3.9    .9   3.3   .4   1.90
10.2   LeBron James   LAL  .598   25.3   7.6   5.9   1.2   3.3   .6   1.91
10.0   Devin Booker   Phx  .607   28.8   5.0   5.4    .8   2.6   .4   2.00
9.1   Lauri Markkanen Uta  .641   25.6   9.8   1.6   1.0   1.4   .5   2.01
9.1    Tyrese Maxey   Phl  .567   23.8   3.5   4.8    .9   1.6   .5   1.59

e82     21-30          tm   Eff%   Sco   Reb   Ast   Stl   TO   Blk   e484
9.1   Rudy Gobert     Min  .647   16.9  14.4   1.1    .7   1.6  2.2   1.62
9.1   Paolo Banchero  Orl  .530   22.0   7.9   4.2   1.1   3.1   .5   1.52
8.9   De'Aaron Fox    Sac  .562   24.6   4.3   4.1   2.0   2.6   .4   1.67
8.9   Jarrett Allen   Cle  .660   21.1  12.8   2.5    .9   2.1  1.4   1.89
8.9   Paul George     LAC  .590   24.0   5.8   3.0   1.6   2.2   .4   1.63

8.7   Julius Randle   NYK  .558   24.0  10.0   4.1    .5   3.5   .3   1.66
8.7   Scottie Barnes  Tor  .564   18.9   8.3   4.4   1.2   2.7  1.5   1.45
8.5   Damian Lillard  Mil  .586   24.3   4.3   5.2   1.1   2.6   .2   1.56
8.5   Chet Holmgren   OKC  .626   21.1   8.8   2.5    .8   2.0  3.1   1.66
8.4 * Pascal Siakam  To-In .617   22.0   8.0   3.6    .9   2.1   .3   1.59

e82     31-40          tm   Eff%   Sco   Reb   Ast   Stl   TO   Blk   e484
8.3   DeMar DeRozan   Chi  .559   20.6   4.1   3.9   1.2   1.5   .6   1.34
8.2 Jonas Valančiūnas NOP  .628   20.2  13.6   2.5    .6   1.9  1.4   1.86
8.2   Jaylen Brown    Bos  .570   24.4   5.7   3.4   1.2   2.6   .6   1.57
8.2   Bam Adebayo     Mia  .556   20.4  11.3   3.4   1.1   2.5  1.0   1.71
8.1 Tyrese Haliburton Ind  .621   23.8   4.5   9.1   1.1   2.7   .8   1.95

7.8  Zion Williamson  NOP  .607   27.4   6.7   4.3   1.0   3.0   .5   1.90
7.7   Brandon Ingram  NOP  .568   22.9   5.7   4.8    .8   2.7   .6   1.47
7.7 Victor Wembanyama SAS  .550   22.3  12.3   2.8   1.5   4.4  3.9   1.80
7.7   Trae Young      Atl  .575   23.6   2.7   7.7   1.5   4.3   .2   1.37
7.7   Nikola Vučević  Chi  .529   16.4  11.4   2.8    .8   1.6   .9   1.45
* Siakam rates are Pacers only; eW*82 are summed with Raptors'.
#41-50: F Wagner, Harden, Porzingis, Butler, J Jackson, Mikal Bridges, Nurkic, Jalen Williams, Bane, D Murray
51-60: J Murray, M Turner, Irving, C White, T Harris, VanVleet, D White, Sexton, Claxton, M Porter
61-70: McCollum, Kuzma, Capela, Duren, DiVincenzo, Drummond, Miles Bridges, J Collins, Zubac, J Grant,
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Re: eWins 2024

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Season at 76%

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e82     per36 rates   tm   Eff%   Sco   Reb   Ast   Stl    TO   Blk   e484
16.7   Nikola Jokić  Den  .638   28.8  13.4   7.6   1.2   3.1   1.0   2.95
16.4   Shai G-A      OKC  .633   33.2   5.6   5.4   2.3   2.3   1.0   2.84
15.7   Giannis A     Mil  .639   31.3  11.7   5.2   1.2   3.5   1.1   2.77
14.2   Luka Dončić   Dal  .612   30.7   8.6   7.3   1.5   3.8    .5   2.54
13.1  Anthony Davis  LAL  .608   23.5  12.6   2.8   1.1   2.1   2.5   2.30

12.4   Jayson Tatum  Bos  .597   27.6   8.3   4.1   1.0   2.6    .6   2.14
12.2   Do Sabonis    Sac  .637   19.3  14.6   6.5    .9   3.3    .6   1.99
10.7  Kawhi Leonard  LAC  .619   25.1   6.7   3.2   1.7   1.8    .9   1.98
10.6 Anthony Edwards Min  .575   27.8   5.7   4.5   1.3   3.2    .6   1.87
10.6  Alperen Sengun Hou  .577   22.5  10.5   4.5   1.3   3.0    .8   1.94

e82     11-20         tm   Eff%   Sco   Reb   Ast   Stl    TO   Blk   e484
10.4   Karl-A Towns  Min  .618   26.3   9.7   2.8    .8   3.1    .7   1.95
10.4   Joel Embiid   Phl  .628   37.2  12.0   4.9   1.1   4.0   1.9   3.25
10.3   Kevin Durant  Phx  .621   27.0   6.7   4.3    .8   3.2   1.3   1.82
9.8    Do Mitchell   Cle  .595   28.5   5.6   5.1   1.8   3.0    .5   2.12
9.7   Jalen Brunson  NYK  .582   26.8   4.1   5.6    .9   2.6    .2   1.75

9.6   Rudy Gobert    Min  .651   16.6  14.4   1.1    .7   1.7   2.3   1.72
9.5   LeBron James   LAL  .608   24.5   7.4   6.3   1.3   3.3    .6   1.82
9.1   Stephen Curry  GSW  .611   28.3   4.9   4.3    .9   3.3    .4   1.71
9.1   Jarrett Allen  Cle  .648   19.8  12.5   2.6    .8   2.0   1.3   1.84
9.1   Chet Holmgren  OKC  .635   21.0   9.0   2.6    .8   2.0   3.1   1.75

e82     21-30         tm   Eff%   Sco   Reb   Ast   Stl    TO   Blk   e484
9.0   Devin Booker   Phx  .601   26.9   4.9   5.6    .9   2.6    .4   1.86
8.6  Lauri Markkanen Uta  .624   23.5   9.6   1.7   1.0   1.5    .5   1.89
8.6   Vi Wembanyama  SAS  .560   22.1  12.5   3.2   1.7   4.4   4.4   1.97
8.6   De'Aaron Fox   Sac  .562   23.7   4.5   4.3   2.0   2.7    .4   1.61
8.5  Paolo Banchero  Orl  .539   21.8   8.0   4.5   1.0   3.2    .5   1.48

8.5   Tyrese Maxey   Phl  .567   22.9   3.6   4.9    .9   1.7    .5   1.51
8.5   Jaylen Brown   Bos  .576   24.4   5.9   3.4   1.1   2.6    .6   1.62
8.4   DeMar DeRozan  Chi  .569   20.5   4.1   4.0   1.0   1.4    .6   1.34
8.4   Bam Adebayo    Mia  .557   19.6  11.1   3.5   1.1   2.5   1.0   1.69
8.3  Jo Valančiūnas  NOP  .624   19.6  14.0   2.6    .5   2.0   1.5   1.94

e82     31-40         tm   Eff%   Sco   Reb   Ast   Stl    TO   Blk   e484
8.3   Paul George    LAC  .586   22.5   5.9   3.0   1.5   2.2    .4   1.55
8.1  Nikola Vučević  Chi  .529   16.6  11.6   2.8    .7   1.7    .9   1.49
8.0   Kr Porziņģis   Bos  .640   26.8   8.3   2.0    .8   2.0   2.2   2.11
7.9  Damian Lillard  Mil  .581   23.1   4.5   5.5   1.0   2.7    .2   1.44
7.8  Scottie Barnes  Tor  .558   17.8   8.5   4.7   1.3   2.9   1.5   1.37

7.7  Zion Williamson NOP  .598   25.6   6.7   5.0   1.0   3.1    .7   1.79
7.3   Jaren Jackson  Mem  .547   22.9   6.5   2.0   1.3   2.7   1.8   1.53
7.3   Franz Wagner   Orl  .569   21.3   6.9   3.6   1.1   2.3    .5   1.47
7.2  Brandon Ingram  NOP  .572   22.4   5.6   5.1    .8   2.9    .6   1.41
7.1  Jalen Williams  OKC  .618   21.8   4.4   4.1   1.3   1.9    .6   1.45

e82     41-51         tm   Eff%   Sco   Reb   Ast   Stl    TO   Blk   e484
7.1   Julius Randle  NYK  .558   22.8  10.1   4.2    .5   3.5    .3   1.59
7.1   Jimmy Butler   Mia  .617   23.3   6.0   4.3   1.6   1.9    .4   1.75
7.0   Myles Turner   Ind  .611   20.3   9.8   1.2    .7   2.0   2.3   1.62
7.0   Jusuf Nurkić   Phx  .558   14.2  15.1   4.1   1.3   3.1   1.4   1.60
6.9   James Harden   LAC  .624   18.5   5.4   7.0   1.1   2.7   1.0   1.28

6.9  Michael Porter  Den  .594   18.5   8.3   1.3    .5   1.3    .8   1.28
6.8   Kyrie Irving   Dal  .593   24.3   5.3   4.1   1.4   1.7    .5   1.79
6.8   Ty Haliburton  Ind  .604   20.6   4.5   9.2   1.2   2.7    .7   1.56
6.4  Dejounte Murray Atl  .550   18.1   5.4   4.5   1.4   2.4    .3   1.13
6.3   Nic Claxton    Brk  .622   14.6  12.2   1.9    .8   1.5   2.7   1.48
6.3   John Collins   Uta  .599   16.8  11.6   1.2    .8   1.9   1.2   1.40
52-60: C White, Mik Bridges, J Murray, T Harris, D White, Sexton, Duren, Drummond, Capela
61-70: Portis, Kuzma, T Young, Mobley, McCollum, DiVincenzo, Mil Bridges, Kuminga, Zubac, Vassell
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