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Mike G
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by Mike G » Tue Oct 28, 2025 2:05 am
Another way too early to be meaningful thread, but someday you'll understand.
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Prob% M-V-P ! tm PER WS/48 BPM
.390 Luka Doncic Dal 43.4 .435 16.2
.341 V Wembanyama SAS 43.5 .489 16.1
.100 Giannis A Mil 43.0 .425 15.0
.099 Shai G-A OKC 33.1 .321 9.7
.044 Austin Reaves LAL 35.0 .393 11.0
.015 Tyrese Maxey Phl 25.4 .259 6.9
.004 Chet Holmgren OKC 25.4 .274 4.5
.004 Nikola Vucevic Chi 23.1 .264 5.6
.002 LaMelo Ball Cha 28.0 .291 7.8
.001 Stephen Curry GSW 34.2 .281 12.1
https://www.basketball-reference.com/friv/mvp.html
Nobody from the Nuggets!?!
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by Mike G » Sat Nov 01, 2025 3:28 pm
Next In Line at bottom
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Prob M!V!P! tm W% PER WS/48 BPM
.481 Wemby SAS 1.00 36.9 .406 13.1
.363 Giannis Mil .80 41.9 .418 15.6
.068 Shai OKC 1.00 29.8 .279 9.2
.036 Maxey Phl .80 25.6 .240 6.7
.022 Jokic Den .60 29.5 .340 12.9
.010 Reaves LAL .67 28.0 .269 6.5
.009 Vucevic Chi 1.00 23.8 .244 6.1
.007 Holmgren OKC 1.00 23.8 .255 5.7
.003 Giddey Chi 1.00 21.0 .162 3.3
.001 K Johnson SAS 1.00 21.2 .301 3.3
Prob M!V!P! tm W% PER WS/48 BPM
--- Doncic LAL .67 38.1 .347 14.0
--- Curry GSW .67 26.1 .222 8.2
--- Markkanen Uta .40 26.8 .261 7.8
--- Sengun Hou .50 24.2 .232 7.4
--- Randle Min .40 25.9 .224 7.0
Keldon Johnson is shooting .740 TS% with 12 pts and 6 reb. in 24 mpg off the bench.
Team Win% is quite a factor right now.
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by Crow » Sat Nov 01, 2025 4:16 pm
Doncic is with LAL.
10-15 names gives clues of possible future candidates but the current season contest is probably between 5-6 guys.
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by Mike G » Sat Nov 01, 2025 4:24 pm
Crow wrote: ↑ Sat Nov 01, 2025 4:16 pm
Doncic is with LAL.
What? Nobody tells me anything.
Most of these guys will be long gone once their teams have lost a game or two.
I'm curious why Steph isn't top 10. Same win% and surely better than Reaves; or almost as good.
I just like recording this stuff that will seem like ancient history in a few months.
One or more of the Big Five will likely break something.
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by Crow » Sat Nov 01, 2025 4:47 pm
Wemby seems destined to win one, sooner or later. Doncic probably still is but might be less likely.
Next most likely new guy...
Maxey? I dunno. Sengun likely to compete for it.
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by Mike G » Wed Nov 05, 2025 6:29 pm
The usual suspects...
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Prob player tm W% PER WS/48 BPM
.437 Shai OKC 1.00 31.8 .328 11.1
.300 Jokic Den .67 32.0 .364 15.2
.094 Giannis Mil .63 39.2 .375 13.9
.052 Wemby SAS .83 30.7 .290 8.2
.052 Maxey Phl .71 25.3 .244 7.3
.030 Reaves LAL .75 26.4 .242 6.3
.015 Giddey Chi .86 22.6 .178 4.8
.009 Vucevic Chi .86 23.4 .227 5.4
.006 Hart'stein OKC 1.00 19.1 .222 2.2
.005 Sengun Hou .67 21.9 .214 5.9
other player tm W% PER WS/48 BPM
--- Doncic Dal .29 34.1 .293 11.6
--- Randle Min .57 26.2 .244 7.6
--- Markkanen Uta .43 23.9 .202 5.8
--- Duren Det .71 26.1 .244 3.2
--- Leonard LAC .43 25.2 .183 4.9
"other" = top 10 in BPM or PER
UPDATE one day later:
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Prob MVP tm W% PER WS/48 BPM
.708 Jokic Den .71 34.0 .392 17.1
.145 Shai OKC .89 30.8 .315 10.4
.074 Giannis Mil .63 39.3 .376 14.0
.029 Reaves LAL .78 26.5 .242 6.4
.012 Giddey Chi .86 22.6 .179 5.0
.011 Maxey Phl .63 24.7 .223 6.7
.007 Vucevic Che .86 23.4 .228 5.6
.007 Wemby SAS .71 27.8 .244 6.2
.005 Sengun Hou .71 21.5 .200 5.5
.002 Hart'ein OKC .89 18.6 .211 1.9
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by Mike G » Wed Nov 12, 2025 2:11 pm
https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/679585 ... l-share-ta
John Hollinger:
Luka. SGA. Joker. Giannis.
Whatever name you use, they are the four best players in the NBA. That seemed clear enough as the season was about to begin, but the events of the first three weeks have only furthered the idea that these four guys are on one level and everyone else is on another.
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by Mike G » Sun Nov 16, 2025 12:01 am
In season PER, WS/48, and BPM, there are 5 players who rank top 10 in all 3.
Six others (in no particular order) are top ten in 2 of the 3.
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mvp? eFG% Reb Ast St+Bk Pts TS% PER WS/48 BPM
Jokic .740 13.1 10.9 2.5 28.8 .773 39.3 .467 20.8
Shai .571 5.2 6.6 2.3 32.5 .644 32.1 .352 12.5
Giannis .650 11.5 7.3 2.3 32.6 .660 34.9 .295 11.3
Doncic .543 8.9 9.2 2.2 33.7 .601 28.1 .211 9.2
Randle .603 7.5 6.1 1.6 25.4 .662 25.7 .247 6.9
Mitchell .599 4.5 5.5 2.0 30.5 .650 24.9 .193 7.7
Sengun .553 10.2 7.4 2.3 22.1 .599 23.1 .222 6.8
Duren .647 12.0 1.6 2.3 19.4 .705 26.4 .263 4.0
Wemby .548 12.9 4.0 4.7 26.2 .609 25.8 .208 6.1
Curry .588 3.5 3.7 2.0 29.1 .648 25.2 .184 7.3
Edwards .599 4.1 3.4 1.4 27.5 .649 25.7 .194 6.1
Just missing are Jimmy Butler and Jalen Johnson.
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by Crow » Sun Nov 16, 2025 12:11 am
Nuggets with Jokic on court, almost +21 / 100p. SGA +16ish, Giannis A. +10, Doncic +3.
Nuggets don't face Thunder til Feb. 1.
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by Mike G » Mon Nov 17, 2025 6:42 pm
Progressive best-ever stats:
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PER year player
26.0 1955 Neil Johnston
27.4 1956 Bob Pettit
28.3 1957 Pettit
32.1 1962 Wilt Chamberlain
32.8 2022 Nikola Jokic
38.3 * 2026 Jokic
WS/48 year player
.282 1955 Larry Foust
.286 1962 Wilt Chamberlain
.325 1964 Wilt
.326 1971 Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
.340 1972 Kareem
.449 * 2026 Nikola Jokic
BPM year player
7.53 1974 Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
7.64 1975 Kareem
8.54 1976 Kareem
9.38 1977 Kareem
10.80 1987 Michael Jordan
12.96 1988 Jordan
13.24 2009 LeBron James
13.72 2022 Nikola Jokic
20.2 * 2026 Jokic
* - thru 1/6 of a season
A recurring theme, again in the alltime top 10 seasons for these stats:
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PER year player
38.3 * 2026 Nikola Jokic
34.8 * 2026 Giannis Antetokounmpo
32.9 * 2026 Shai Gilgeous-Alexander
32.8 2022 Jokic
32.1 1962 Wilt Chamberlain
32.0 2022 Giannis
32.0 2025 Jokic
31.9 2020 Giannis
31.8 1963 Wilt
31.7 1988 Michael Jordan
WS/48 year player
.449 * 2026 Nikola Jokic
.366 * 2026 Shai Gilgeous-Alexander
.340 1972 Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
.326 1971 Kareem
.325 1964 Wilt Chamberlain
.323 1973 Kareem
.322 2013 LeBron James
.321 1991 Michael Jordan
.318 2009 LeBron
.318 2016 Stephen Curry
BPM year player
20.2 * 2026 Nikola Jokic
13.7 2022 Jokic
13.3 2025 Jokic
13.2 2009 LeBron James
13.2 2024 Jokic
13.2 * 2026 Shai Gilgeous-Alexander
13.0 2023 Jokic
13.0 1988 Michael Jordan
12.1 2021 Jokic
12.0 1991 Jordan